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Would YOU abort your "down syndrome" baby?

Abort the Down Syndrome baby?

  • Abort the baby and try again.

    Votes: 113 86.3%

  • Have the baby as it is.

    Votes: 18 13.7%
  • Total voters
    131
P.S.

Where's the "abort the baby, get snipped, and never, ever, ever try again" option?

Must everyone here be assumed to be breeders?
 
I refused to take the test because I didn't want to have to deal with even thinking about it.

My friends 4th child was Tri-13, raising Anna Grace takes a village and we are an awesome village. For what Anna lacks in mental power she makes up with the power of joy. Most of our village of 10,000 people know Anna and are thankful that she is with us. Not all Tri-13 kids are as easy and joyful as Anna so not all situations are the same.

All in all I'm thankful that we have Anna! :)
 
V4 said:
but yes, i'd give him/her life and the love to live on this fucked up world...hell, if i can understand the situation even better which i probably would if it were to be my child, i'd adopt another in the same condition and the support they may need....
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This is exactly what a Surgeon at Valley Childrens and his wife did. :cool
 
Gixxergirl1000 said:
It's got nothing to do with their looks. The lack of mental acuity of a Downs Child puts them a LOT further down the Bell curve... to the point that a significant amount of them are not able to work and support themselves. Where does the money come from to put them into a halfway house, where they can be supervised and cared for throughout their adult lives? Your tax money at work.
Societal drain without contributing to the good of society. Just seems to be in the best interest of all parties to terminate the pregnancy.
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This describes Octo-Mom! Too bad there isn't a test for this type of abnormality.
 
Dr. Evil said:
This is the only argument in the thread that's any good.
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Fuck me, it must be tough being such a mental giant. Undoubtedly you have already revolutionized our lives with your immense intellect and we don't even know it. Sadly you're an anonymous voice on the internet, forever spouting off about what a genius you are and how most of the people around you are retards.

Thank you for gracing us with your presence, oh powerful super brain.

tzrider said:
Ah, so this is the standard? Do you feel you meet it?
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In a trivial capacity, yes. I'm working towards a significant impact.
 
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It got passed down somehow-- and yes, they do breed. Not always by their own choice, either, since the mentally handicapped are more easily taken advantage of. (a friend of mine was an EMT responding to a pregnant handicapped girl who'd gone into labor on the highway, carrying her own father's child. She lacked the ability to understand what was happening. He had to hold her down and use a scalpel on her without anaesthetic to get the baby out and save its life. Whatever's left of it after all that inbreeding, anyway.) Yes, downs' and other handicapped type people can lead happy, worthwhile lives. Not saying they should all be dragged out and shot or something crazy like that. But they experience certain burdens that don't really help matters in an already difficult painful world, and if I had the opportunity to prevent that from happening to them, without causing harm or suffering, I would.

This goes for plenty of other diseases as well.

My post reflects my personal views and reasoning. I guess really what it boils down to is that I would feel it is my responsibility to provide a child with the best possible chances and conditions that I can. My responsibility. I could raise a healthy kid, or an unhealthy one.... it seems pretty simple to me. I already choose not to have kids because I don't feel I would make a good enough parent. Once a month, a tiny potential life goes swirling down the literal toilet, and thousands more sit parked in my pelvis someplace, ne'er to budge. What's a life and what isn't, conception, blah blah, hair splitting. Can't save em all. One roll comes up snake eyes, try again. I also strongly feel that if the abortion is done soon enough, a being that does not yet posess consciousness cannot suffer. It's a bundle of cells, yes, vegetative. It's asleep, never to wake-- and if there's a soul, it will pass back to wherever it came from without pain. I don't believe in hell, baptism, all that other stupid superstitious crap.

I believe my decision would be selfless AND selfish at the same time, because it would benefit both me and my future progeny and the rest of my family.


If I was Palin's kid, and I had to sit there watching her parade me around like some kind of medal for her own pride, like MY hardships, inflicted on me (and herself) at her will, make HER a better person, I think I'd be pissed and more than a little nauseous. Can you imagine growing up with that shit? We already get enough of a guilt trip from our parents for existing as it is!
 
Gnarly Cranium said:
It got passed down somehow-- and yes, they do breed. Not always by their own choice, either, since the mentally handicapped are more easily taken advantage of.
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Sorry, Tri-13 is not genetically passed down at all.

Chromosone 13 fails to copy completely. So instead of 4 strands of DNA you only get 3. That is it! Chromosones fail all the time and most of the time the birth ends in a miscarriage. Just happens that the failure of 13 doesn't neccessarily end in death at birth.
 
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yella600rr said:
Sorry, there Tri-13 is not genetically passed down at all.

Chromosone 13 fails to copy completely. So instead of 4 strands of DNA you only get 3. That is it! Chromosones fail all the time and most of the time the birth ends in a miscarriage. Just happens that the failure of 13 doesn't neccessarily end in death at birth.
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Ah, gotcha. Yeah there's some things that are basically random mutations I guess-- although it could be a flaw in the parent's genetics that allow some of them to occur, in which case maybe they shouldn't be passing on 'carrier' type stuff either, if it's anything that can be recognized and caught in time.

One of my friends had a kid that was damaged mid-pregnancy by a virus she caught. That's a really, really tough case, because she didn't even know she was pregnant until pretty well along into it, and there was no way of telling how bad the damage would be.
 
Gnarly Cranium said:
Ah, gotcha. Yeah there's some things that are basically random mutations I guess-- although it could be a flaw in the parent's genetics that allow some of them to occur, in which case maybe they shouldn't be passing on 'carrier' type stuff either, if it's anything that can be recognized and caught in time.
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Not with Tri-13. The only thing that isn't random about this mutation is that it seems to occur with a higher percentage with women over 35 years of age.

The saying is the age of egg provider seems to make the difference not the age of the sperm provider.
 
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Wow. I'm stunned by some of the responses.

I've known many kid's with Down's, and there was not a one of them that was suffering. But I guess cause they're not like us or may require care from their family, we'll just kill them. Well, I guess carry on getting rid of the untermensch to create your perfect society.
 
I did 2 summers at Christian Barrets Camp, somewhere in bumfuck hills, CA. It got me off the farm, and the cats I met were some genuinely nice people. Sure they aint bright, but they were really nice and kind.

The lack of humanity in some people is... astounding.
 
I would not want to sentence my child to a lifetime of misery. It would be a sad choice to have to make for sure.
 
Oceansides said:
Guess me, doc, and yella are alone on this.
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Nah. My wife and I had both of our pregnancies tested, but agreed we couldn't see an abortion. Setting aside any other reason, a woman can get pretty attached to the baby growing inside.

As others have said, we haven't seen suffering amongst the Downs kids we've known or known of. Upon finding out, parents may have a collision of their hopes with reality. Once they get used to the idea, they will have to come to grips with the idea that the nest may never be empty and that someone may have to provide care after they're gone. More health issues? Probably.

Many people with Downs kids feel their lives have been better for having the child. It seems one need not be the second coming of Einstein to make the world a better place.
 
Oceansides said:
The lack of humanity in some people is... astounding.
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I know. Like being such a selfish prig that you make your own children so you can have the satisfaction of seeing your own seed walk the earth, when there are millions upon millions of orphans suffering horrible existences throughout the world. Not to mention all the kids that are in foster care or should be. Yet people still desire to breed their own spawn because they desire a walking, talking possession.

Astounding indeed.
 
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If they do not grab the axe that is handed to them upon their birth, throw them to the wolves for they won't survive the coming hardships. :x

Though I honestly can't say as I don't have children and those who've I've met with some sort of "disability" genuinely seem happy to be alive and around those who've accepted them for who they are.
 
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