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The gun expert from the New York Times

n10sive said:
Magazines :twofinger :laughing

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Aluisious said:
The rifling also spins the bullet clockwise, so you can expect the gun to torque counter clockwise. At high rates of fire I expect that would build up and tend to pull the barrel towards the left, the same way people tend to start shooting high from recoil.
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Actually not all guns are right hand twist. And recoil direction comes from reaction to your center of gravity. Hold the gun upsidedown and it will recoil down. If it is recoiling to the right you don't have it centered to your center of gravity. Try shooting off hand with your right hand and then with your left hand Tomb Raider style. The gun in your right hand will recoil up and right and the gun in your left hand will recoil up and left. Twist doesn't matter.
 
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Ratters said:
Actually not all guns are right hand twist. And recoil direction comes from reaction to your center of gravity. Hold the gun upsidedown and it will recoil down. If it is recoiling to the right you don't have it centered to your center of gravity. Try shooting off hand with your right hand and then with your left hand Tomb Raider style. The gun in your right hand will recoil up and right and the gun in your left hand will recoil up and left. Twist doesn't matter.
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The Glock is right hand twist, and that's the gun we were talking about. There must be a force imparted by the twist, I will test it out soon.

I have no idea what Tomb Raider style is supposed to be anyway.
 
I don't remember any of those assholes demanding appology from Honda for selling Honda Pilot to the guy in Freemont who run over 14 people killing one.
Dickhead.
 
MysterYvil said:
Mmmmm, tastes like troll! :rofl
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WTF...

An attempt to goad someone into answering the question, but it drives home a point. Despite Roam’s comment, “think it is tragically prophetic that when you get an answer to the question you asked, you are ignore it and continue empty talk” I have not received an answer to my question.

So to recap:

Eldritch said:
Not that I approve of this guys actions, but the Second Amendment isn't for hunting or personal protection. It's for doing exactly what this guy did.
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And I replied…

Nahullo said:
So, according to your interpretation of the Second Amendment, which reads: “ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” the actions of this nut-job when he shot and killed a 9 year old kid, killed a judge, killed several other citizens and wounded a member of congress and over a dozen other folks were aligned with the Second Amendment?

Please, help me understand your logic and the justification for such an asinine comment.
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Eldrithc went into a long discourse about unhappy Americans and the Second Amendment. Then several others went into more discussion about the Second Amendment…. And I responded with this…

Nahullo said:
So the logic you used, to justify your comment, is centered on… “The Right wing cocksuckers are too busy blowing the corporate special interests to stop the left wing scumbags from giving the country away to communists and lawless foreign invaders.” I don’t see how this relates to the Second Amendment and the nut-job’s actions in killing citizens, a judge and shooting a US congressperson.
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Finally we got to the heart of the issue…

Eldritch said:
He used force of arms to kill multiple representatives of the U.S. government in what he apparently felt was a necessary act of defiance against what he felt was an unbearable tyrannical government. This is in essence the definition of the protection provided by the second amendment.

As I said, I don't necessarily approve of his logic and he seems like a fruitcake to me, but in times of tyrannical oppression, this sort of action would be appropriate.
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Then there was some more attempts at insults and name calling, yada, yada, bullshit, bullshit...

So my point – the actions of this guy were the result of psychosis, not a political statement. Regardless of whether or not the psychosis was an issue (and the proximate cause of these actions), his actions are not aligned with the Second Amendment.

The Framers of the Constitution did not design a process that allows every individual to exert his will, by force of arms, upon the people in the form of assassination. If that were the case; any ass-hat who kills a politician could claim it was his 'constitutional right' and walk free from the act. The Second Amendment was designed to prevent the government from ruling the people (by allowing us, the people, to bear arms). If the people of AZ did not want U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in office, they would not have [just] voted for her.

Now if you think I am wrong and the Second Amendment was designed to allow individuals to impose their will on the populace by using their constitutional right to bear arms and to kill politicians, then we will agree to disagree.
 
Aluisious said:
The Glock is right hand twist, and that's the gun we were talking about. There must be a force imparted by the twist, I will test it out soon.

I have no idea what Tomb Raider style is supposed to be anyway.
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Yes but it is force along an axis. Valves twist in an engine but there is no real force to deal with except along the axis. A crankshaft rotates and the only issue with that is turning it. Ditto a bullet. They don't like to turn around corners.
 
Nahullo said:
WTF...

An attempt to goad someone into answering the question, but it drives home a point. Despite Roam’s comment, “think it is tragically prophetic that when you get an answer to the question you asked, you are ignore it and continue empty talk” I have not received an answer to my question.
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Lets try it again

A people armed and free forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition and is a bulwark for the nation against foreign invasion and domestic oppression.
James Madison
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Nahullo said:
The Framers of the Constitution did not design a process that allows every individual to exert his will, by force of arms, upon the people in the form of assassination. If that were the case; any ass-hat who kills a politician could claim it was his 'constitutional right' and walk free from the act. The Second Amendment was designed to prevent the government from ruling the people (by allowing us, the people, to bear arms).
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James Madison was the principal author of the US Constitution, and is often called the "Father of the Constitution". He disagree with you.
 
afm199 said:
Yes but it is force along an axis. Valves twist in an engine but there is no real force to deal with except along the axis. A crankshaft rotates and the only issue with that is turning it. Ditto a bullet. They don't like to turn around corners.
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RRR70 said:
Lets try it again...James Madison was the principal author of the US Constitution, and is often called the "Father of the Constitution". He disagree with you.
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Cool, glad you cleared that up for me… If you could provide the specific text or documentation that notes Madison supports you perspective, that would be great.

So Jared Lee Loughner’s actions were constitutionally supported and he will not serve any time, eh? Or will his incarceration be another example of our crumbling way of life?

Oh and where the fuck in AZ was this the domestic oppression of which you speak? Was the election stolen?
 
You sound angry. Are you OK? Do you need any help?
I never said that I support what this fruitcake did. But that's why 2nd was put there, to keep goobment in check and that's why they try so hard to get rid of it. You do realize that without 2nd there will be no 1st or 4th?
 
Aluisious said:
The Glock is right hand twist, and that's the gun we were talking about. There must be a force imparted by the twist, I will test it out soon.

I have no idea what Tomb Raider style is supposed to be anyway.
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You know, like Laura Croft, one gun in each hand. ;)

The force of any twist would be absolutely miniscule and have no effect on felt recoil, I promise you. Especially when the twist is so slow, like one revolution in ten inches. The bullet doesn't even spin once before it leaves the barrel.
 
Nahullo said:
Cool, glad you cleared that up for me… If you could provide the specific text or documentation that notes Madison supports you perspective, that would be great.

So Jared Lee Loughner’s actions were constitutionally supported and he will not serve any time, eh? Or will his incarceration be another example of our crumbling way of life?

Oh and where the fuck in AZ was this the domestic oppression of which you speak? Was the election stolen?
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:rolleyes

Roman, seriously. Let it go. Dude is obviously trolling.
 
Ratters said:
You know, like Laura Croft, one gun in each hand. ;)

The force of any twist would be absolutely miniscule and have no effect on felt recoil, I promise you. Especially when the twist is so slow, like one revolution in ten inches. The bullet doesn't even spin once before it leaves the barrel.
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Steve, he talks about muzzle rise. As I said you can only feel significant muzzle rise and muzzle going off the axis when firing full auto rifle without compensator.
 
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