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Motorcycle vs. fire truck in SF--driver ARRESTED

sanjuro said:
I think the Indianapolis drunk cop/motorcycle fatality is more relevant. That blood test was rejected because it went to a non-standard facility.

The only question I have was this is a simple accident or did the investigators made a slight botch which has kept this officer out of jail?
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That actually is an way better example than I had... thanks. The beat cop, or investigator is this case, most likely did his/her job 100% correctly. Most cases are tossed out due to things beyond the officers control.

The court room is really a show room. The team that puts on the best show normally wins.

The FF was involved in a traffic collision, whether he was impaired at the time is the essence of DUI.

Just because noting has happened, yet, does not mean that something won't happen. There are a lot of moving parts in this case, and it just takes one part to go crazy to really screw up proper prosecution.

The City of SF will pay out, no doubt on that.
 
From the article posted earlier...

The Fire Department has a zero-tolerance policy for drinking on duty.

Quinn, a 23-year veteran of the department, is on unpaid leave. Fire Department supervisors have accused him of 13 counts of misconduct, including unsafe operation of a vehicle, disobeying an order, drunkenness and entering a bar on duty.
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Rel said:
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Just because noting has happened, yet, does not mean that something won't happen. There are a lot of moving parts in this case, and it just takes one part to go crazy to really screw up proper prosecution. ...
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Exactly. Complicated and far from over. My guess is that the FF is an FF on borrowed time.

Even if the sample wasn't processed or handled correctly and get's thrown out, I can't imagine his future with SFFD. Even if the Union is able to get him reinstated, he'll be a piriah in the dept. How could he face his peers after this? My guess is that in his mind it's ALL about protecting his pension at this point, but what do I know.
 
Rel said:
What we know and what we can prove are two different things. I'm not sure where you're going with the less than honest even under oath, but it really has nothing to do with this.

The OJ case was botched from the get-go, but that is a another thread for another time.
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fair enough rel, nothing but respect here, i could go on but know it might get a little complicated and not everyone would consider both sides of the equation and evaluate rationally. at least not before all the facts are known. I'll stand by and wait for further word............in the meantime i stick to what my gut says and what it is telling me now is something ain't right......:x
 
jdhu said:
The public defenders I have met are competent. They are just overworked, and so the time they spend on each case is minimal. If you hire a private lawyer, he/she should have more time to dedicate to your case.
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I never said they were incompetent.
 
Passing the Bar is no joke. I'm not saying public defenders are ignorant. Last time I checked though, no one coming out of law school is clamoring to become a P.D.
 
Kornholio said:
Passing the Bar is no joke. I'm not saying public defenders are ignorant. Last time I checked though, no one coming out of law school is clamoring to become a P.D.
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my sister clerked for supreme court outta gonzaga. she is today still a dedicated and very respected public defender. she is not in it for the money. my cousin, equally qualified and with my sister two of the best human beings i have ever known, is an assistant DA-----so two opposites in terms of the slightest but meaningful nuance of belief, but not in terms of constitutional rights.

i think you do not know what you are talking about fully........we all have varying and different values and they are all relative right? Just because a bright and successful lawyer does not work for a private firm, and may even just believe in the right to representation, well that does not make such a person somehow of lesser status than the private firm attorney.

Judge not man unless you know from experience what you are talking about,
 
hophead said:
my sister clerked for supreme court outta gonzaga. she is today still a dedicated and very respected public defender. she is not in it for the money. my cousin, equally qualified and with my sister two of the best human beings i have ever known, is an assistant DA-----so two opposites in terms of the slightest but meaningful nuance of belief, but not in terms of constitutional rights.

i think you do not know what you are talking about fully........we all have varying and different values and they are all relative right? Just because a bright and successful lawyer does not work for a private firm, and may even just believe in the right to representation, well that does not make such a person somehow of lesser status than the private firm attorney.

Judge not man unless you know from experience what you are talking about,
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I gotta back this up. PD offices are usually not lacking for applicants. The draw is you get tons and tons of trial experience and after a few years you can go into private practice and start making real money. Not torts or corporate law money, but enough to be a one-earner family in a decent place to live.
 
Sonoma County PD office tshirt:

" A reasonable doubt at a reasonable price"
 
firstbuell said:
dunno, but Channel 5 talked briefly this a.m. about the SF DA doing something......
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Yeah, an international internal investigation. I hope is not going be a fox guarding the hen-house situation.
 
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Thanks for the update MrPepsi! So Quinn has resigned? Two assistant chiefs could be suspended and two lower level firefighters have to go in front of a comission and could face even harsher discipline? What other charges is Quinn facing?
 
At least they are looking in to it.
I still contend if this was any one of the rest of us, we would have been strung up by now.
The double standard is frustrating.
 
hophead said:
Thanks for the update MrPepsi! So Quinn has resigned? Two assistant chiefs could be suspended and two lower level firefighters have to go in front of a comission and could face even harsher discipline? What other charges is Quinn facing?
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Here is an article w/more detail; http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/5-S-F-firefighters-await-suspensions-over-crash-5011944.php

"I believe in my heart of hearts," she said, that there was no collusion between firefighters in the Quinn case.

"What has been alleged is that it was a cover-up," the chief said. "I don't believe that there was a cover-up that evening, nor did the administrative investigation that we conducted indicate that.
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Maybe the chief was drunk when she uttered that?
 
The Chief is full of it. No cover up? Yeah, right -- it's on video. She might argue it didn't go beyond the two guys who apparently took Quinn from the scene and were feeding him water at the bar, but those two guys sure look like they were trying to cover this up. At least they deserve to lose their jobs, as of course does Quinn.

Those who have earned the public trust deserve higher sanctions for violating it. Cops, firefighters, lawyers, judges, politicians. Of course, that's not reality, apparently.

/rant
 
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