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Are dealerships delusional about used bike prices?

Ok. I have concluded that I has to because I am female. Just called a dealer that had a cycle listed on cycle trader for 2999. I called he has if it was for me .. Price was 3499. I told him that I was looking for 2500 out the door..he said 3500
Out the door was best he could do. Boyfriend called 3 mins later and got price of 3200. Sales man even mentioned they my Bf was the second person to call today.

Would I be more successful with internet sales?

Is it not possible to get a 2009 or newer CBR 250 or ninja 250 for 2500-3000k?!
Why are all my Moto buddies tell me that it is?
 
ToAdventure said:
Am I negotiating wrong?
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Negotiating is an art that I am poor at, so maybe. Dealerships are only delusional if people won't pay the prices they're asking, so that's their own concern.

As a fellow shrimpy female, I started off on a gently used GS500e that I got for $2200 when GS500es were newer than they are now. Great starter bike. My advice is to save your pennies so you have the cash price of a gently used starter bike that the owner had for two months before realizing he was ready to graduate to a GSXCBseventybillionRR.

And in the meantime, you can take some classes and get your gear sorted.
 
Sounds like you'd be more successful having your b/f as your chief negotiator. I'd call a few dealers, see what they have to offer, even pit them against each other for the best deal and then make a decision.
 
id say both customers and dealers are delusional...
 
I'd say your chances of getting a newer 250R for $2500 OTD is slim to none.
 
V4 said:
id say both customers and dealers are delusional...
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this


that said in the used bike market you have Craigslist, cycle trader, ebay etc. etc. The pricing locally and within reasonable shipping distance, these are your bargaining chips against the dealership. If they wanna sell you on some value added BS about buying from them it is time to walk.
 
$2500 otd is like $2200 bike price. It's crazy if you think any of the 2009+ 250 is selling that low in reasonable cosmetic and mechanical condition as the norm at private party prices. Let alone dealer prices.

Sure.. you can find the occasional deal. But, you'd have to act quick and pounce with cash in hand.
 
For a first bike I would steer clear of a dealership. Your first bike should be a POS that you can drop over and over again. Then be forced to wrench on in order to make it run well. This will force you to understand how a motorcycle works for very cheap.

Look on CL or our own for sale area.
 
As a different sort of view, there is this: I always shop dealers first for any vehicle. I have virtually no recourse with a private party, if the product I buy is defective. With a dealer I may have several choices for recourse, including beating the snot out of them on BARF.

I don't see how anyone here can say dealers are delusional. They are in business. If the merchandise is priced incorrectly, they will change the price, or probably not stay in business very long. Make offers and see what happens. If I had a guaranteed loan for a new 250, I would buy it, even if it was my first bike. Any mechanical problems are then factory/dealer problems and NOT mine.
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Best of luck.
 
You're seeking a loan for a used 250? Have you priced out gear and insurance? I don't mean to be rude -- just trying to help you manage your expectations.
 
That's a good point: with a loan you'll need full coverage, which gets expensive for new riders.
 
Roadstergal said:
Negotiating is an art that I am poor at, so maybe. Dealerships are only delusional if people won't pay the prices they're asking, so that's their own concern.

As a fellow shrimpy female, I started off on a gently used GS500e that I got for $2200 when GS500es were newer than they are now. Great starter bike. My advice is to save your pennies so you have the cash price of a gently used starter bike that the owner had for two months before realizing he was ready to graduate to a GSXCBseventybillionRR.

And in the meantime, you can take some classes and get your gear sorted.
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+1. Save $2500 for a used bike and decent gear and go private seller. Save debt for stuff you need to have, not stuff you want sooner.
 
I have no luck buying bikes in the Bay Area. My 3 purchases have been in Davis, Folsom and Yuba City. I get the impression most sellers would rather let the bike sit than sell it for a reasonable price. This is the worst time to buy a bike, a really warm spring. My credit union allows me to buy from a private seller. 1 minute on CL shows some decently priced bikes.

Ninja 250 - https://sacramento.craigslist.org/mcy/4954956896.html
CBR 250 - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/4955193289.html
CBR 250 - http://chico.craigslist.org/mcy/4945805799.html
CBR 250 - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/4950857640.html
 
ToAdventure said:
I really feel like I blew it with a few bikes after reading this news.
I don't know if my criteria is realistic now
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Don't think like this. There is no 'blowing it' when buying vehicles of any type, because there's always another one out there for sale. My simple rule is always, always, always be 100% prepared to walk away if you don't get the deal you want. Just move on to the next seller.

Oh and don't let the seller know that you're anything but a cash buyer. Start talking about your financing situation and/or lack of riding experience and the salesman's like to think he has the advantage. Don't do it.
 
I just wanted to add few things here.
Your "long time riding" buddies at work are not up to date on current moto prices.
Times of old with brand new Ninja 250 or similar was about 3K are gone!!!
New 300 MSRP is around 5K before any fees or taxes, so you are looking at something like 6-7K out of the door depending on options.
So it is absolutely unreasonable to expect to find 1-2 years old bike 2500 OTD.

Now being said that - you still can find reasonably good bike from older generations for around that money, but private party is your best bet.

Also if 2500 $ is a significant amount of money for you, I would think twice about buying a bike at all. With the gear needed, plus insurance e.t.c it can become an investment you will have hard times handling...
 
V4 said:
id say both customers and dealers are delusional...
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TRUE DAT!

genadyl said:
Also if 2500 $ is a significant amount of money for you, I would think twice about buying a bike at all. With the gear needed, plus insurance e.t.c it can become an investment you will have hard times handling...
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perhaps she has it budgeted already?

Like others posted, that $2500 fits in teh price range of older bikes. Some of these bikes really hold their values over time. Friend has a honda cruiser he bought for 3500. 2 years later, sold it for *drumroll* $3500.

having money aside for gear (in the least ~$500 for helmet, boots, jacket pants glove, but expect something like 800-1000 for decent set of gear).

INSURANCE... eeegahd... do get good coverage for yourself. 1 day in an ICU was billed ~ $22,000 for me. with a motorcycle, good coverage will be your friend.
 
I already have all my gear and I've priced several different bikes with my insurance and I have found it to be pretty affordable.

Ok, Ok.. so you've all made it clear that I'm way off and that the advice that my buddies gave is out of date. What's realistic then? 4k out the door? To me.. that sounds like nearly new pricing. I understand that dealer fees and what no aren't a included in the MSRP new price.. but a buddy of mine went to a honda dealership and paid the sticker and DMV fees. No set up, no delivery none. Granted it was a 500 CC he bought but still.
 
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