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Barf Baja 2016 - The ride begins!

slupcho said:
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Gorgeous bike, but how does it look upside down?
 
Wow, tough crowd..
 
OaklandF4i said:
:rofl or in the back of a pickup or pulled on a boat trailer! :later


Team HONDA! :twofinger Old, slow, and air cooled but always out front. :teeth :ride
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I don't remember any Hondas out in front of Dima and I during our ride out of PSF or during our day ride out of Mulege. :twofinger

(Of course, CJ, Tom, and Leo weren't there....)
 
Houston we have a problem.... (the 1 fucking thing I didn't do to this bike is crack the bottom end cases, Oh well I guess I am doing it now)

Here is my set of cases and crank from the Baja bike (notice the roller 'bearings')
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Here is a used set of cases in better condition for comparison (those can't be trusted as I got them for $50 with a 'we took it apart because it was knocking, and the crank off those has a pretty big rub spot on the inside roller bearing race)
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I don't think my cases had the bearing spin although I have yet to knock them out of there but the rollers and the cages took all of the brunt (and the rod big end cage as well). Anyhow the adventure continues....
 
One thing here is not like the others
 
I only counted 12 roller bearings in each case of your motor, while the "better" one has 12 on one side and 14 on the other. Did two bearings get digested in the bottom end or did you remove them already?
 
Dmitriy said:
Houston we have a problem.... (the 1 fucking thing I didn't do to this bike is crack the bottom end cases, Oh well I guess I am doing it now)

I don't think my cases had the bearing spin although I have yet to knock them out of there but the rollers and the cages took all of the brunt (and the rod big end cage as well). Anyhow the adventure continues....
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Dmitriy, that sucks BUT it really isnt that bad in the big scheme of things. I know you are more than up to the task of replacing the bearings and we are all here to help if needed. I dont see any case damage. They cant really go anywhere, must of have been eaten I assume.

Cant imagine each of those bearings being much more than $50 a piece. Rebuild your crank with fresh bearings while you are at it and you will have a good motor for another 10-15K. $200-300 at most plus your labor and time (I know alot of $$ for you or I), but still not horrible.

I assume your fresh piston and cylinder are unscathed? Make sure there are no debris in your oil ports. Not familiar with the KTM motors, but I assume there is an oil pump to be checked as well.

Cabrito said:
Wow, tough crowd..
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Shawn drank with us for a night... so he knows our sense of humor. :twofinger

Leo_jb said:
BTW, great write-up CJ. Too much talent for one man.
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Thanks Leo!

Lunch Box said:
I don't remember any Hondas out in front of Dima and I during our ride out of PSF or during our day ride out of Mulege. :twofinger

(Of course, CJ, Tom, and Leo weren't there....)
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Minor details..... :ride Bring it on! Pink slip race? Always wanted a KTM 690. :teeth
 
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Leo_jb said:
I only counted 12 roller bearings in each case of your motor, while the "better" one has 12 on one side and 14 on the other. Did two bearings get digested in the bottom end or did you remove them already?
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Nothing gets by you! :thumbup They were at the bottom of the bin I split the cases in, turns out I was too lazy/sad to fish them all out. Just went to the garage to check and they are there. I would imagine if they got eaten the sound would have been much worse when the bike stopped.

OaklandF4i said:
Dmitriy, that sucks BUT it really isnt that bad in the big scheme of things. I know you are more than up to the task of replacing the bearings and we are all here to help if needed. I dont see any case damage. They cant really go anywhere, must of have been eaten I assume.

Cant imagine each of those bearings being much more than $50 a piece. Rebuild your crank with fresh bearings while you are at it and you will have a good motor for another 10-15K. $200-300 at most plus your labor and time (I know alot of $$ for you or I), but still not horrible.

I assume your fresh piston and cylinder are unscathed? Make sure there are no debris in your oil ports. Not familiar with the KTM motors, but I assume there is an oil pump to be checked as well.
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Yep, unfortunately those bearings are like ~$80 each (still shopping around on that front). I 'think' the piston (skirt has a touch of rubbing) and jug survived though I may need a new pin and rings (they look ok so maybe just reused them too after measuring the gap?) There are 2 oil pumps and I'll have to check those out etc. etc... Current step is get the crank all done (need to get a tool to remove what is left of the old bearing races) so that needs to get sent out (need to make some calls on price and delivery times etc etc....) But yea lets hope around $300 covers it.

Meanwhile got the 'other' 640 ready to work on. It will also get complete and through combing at this point. Garage looks like an Austrian assembly line...
 
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OaklandF4i said:
D never stirred......
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:laughing

Lunch Box said:
I don't remember any Hondas out in front of Dima and I during our ride out of PSF or during our day ride out of Mulege. :twofinger

(Of course, CJ, Tom, and Leo weren't there....)
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Was there some serious bromance happening between Tom, Leo and CJ? :love

Dmitriy said:
Yep, unfortunately those bearings are like ~$80 each (still shopping around on that front). I 'think' the piston (skirt has a touch of rubbing) and jug survived though I may need a new pin and rings (they look ok so maybe just reused them too after measuring the gap?) There are 2 oil pumps and I'll have to check those out etc. etc... Current step is get the crank all done (need to get a tool to remove what is left of the old bearing races) so that needs to get sent out (need to make some calls on price and delivery times etc etc....) But yea lets hope around $300 covers it.

Meanwhile got the 'other' 640 ready to work on. It will also get complete and through combing at this point. Garage looks like an Austrian assembly line...
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I can probably order you bearings via my old job unless it's some magic special KTM specific thing.
 
Wow lotsa stuff that can go wrong with that engine, but I'm suppose every engine has its own weaknesses. The DR has a few. Hope the piston is still good.
 
Interesting that it has roller bearings as opposed to ball bearings. That's a lot of lateral contact. Would think that demands very little crank runout after assembly.
 
OaklandF4i said:
Minor details..... :ride Bring it on! Pink slip race? Always wanted a KTM 690. :teeth
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The idea of me challenging you to a dirtbike race makes about as much sense as you challenging me to an eating contest. :laughing
 
If I were smart enough to remember more than one line at a time I would be dangerous. :twofinger
 
Three? Who else's bike died? My 1200 limped all the way back to UT, but it did require a new tire after 6 flats. Somehow, I miracled my way into finding a tire, but I am sworn to secrecy as to where it came from.
 
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Three? Who else's bike died? My 1200 limped all the way back to UT, but it did require a new tire after 6 flats. Somehow, I miracled my way into finding a tire, but I am sworn to secrecy as to where it came from.
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Aaron's 690 in Mulege, Josh's 520 in Comondu, Dmitriy's 640 somewhere north of Guerro Negro on hwy 1.

6 flats? What the hell.... Keep replacing with tubes?

And I have a vision of an empty tequila bottle on the ground in front of a dumpster behind a BWM dealership with Scott's and your legs dangling out diving for tires on the trip home. :laughing
 
Wow, I clearly should have continued on dirt with you guys, but given the condition of my tire, and the back pain of Scott, it would have likely ended in disaster. Your day 6 sounds fantastic. But NEXT YEAR, I hope I get to ride with you guys again. If not, I may follow your tracks.
 
Aaron, not to rub it in, but the rest of everyone's adventure was better than yours. The rest of my trip was outstanding, and I did trick Scott into 2 more days of partial off-road riding, and he did very well. We did get lost once at night and found some ridiculously deep sand, but it was all part of the adventure. Scott had more damage to his bike, but we made the trip home without injury. The last two hours of our ride we hit a snowstorm, and had 17 - 22 degree temps for over 5 hours. But we kept the tires on the pavement and were home in time for dinner - though my kids made me shower and shave before they would sit with me. Can't wait to ride with you again. I hope you can make it to UT... otherwise, I will see you in CA.
 
"Fran is alive! I assume that both you and Scott eventually made it safely back across the border without spending any time in jail, marrying a stripper in a drunken stuper, or becoming an unwitting organ donor. And if not, are at least enjoying the adventure. "

CJ, we had a blast. I know I slowed you all down, but that's what you get for talking to strangers. I slept in my foil blanket one more time, but it's Baja... you just have to Harden the F up!
 
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