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Jose Ines Garcia Not Guilty of Murder Kate Steinle - verdict

mlm said:
Wonder what people think about the Feds prosecuting for nearly the same crime and how this relates to the legal concept of "double jeopardy"

Personally I find it troubling how the state can pursue politically driven prosecutions in this manner.
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They could try him for violating Ms. Steinle's civil rights. Isn't that how it is usually done? No double jeopardy there.

And I don't see anything political in holding a person accountable for causing death.
 
CocoLoco said:
Those kinds of attitudes can be found anywhere. SF hasn't cornered the market on this type of behavior. Also, and more importantly, these behaviors are often affected by one's own contributions to the interaction.
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I mostly agree with you on that. But in many cases, like gun debates here in BARF, some people refuse to get educated on the topic of discussion.
 
mlm said:
Double jeopardy doesn't apply between state and federal charges. Just like how OJ was retried for a Civil Rights violation after he was acquitted.
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He was sued in a civil suit, not charged with murder again, so that has nothing to do with anything.

Murder is a federal crime when:
https://www.wklaw.com/10-ways-murder-becomes-a-federal-crime/

So none of those apply.

https://www.wklaw.com/double-jeopardy-federal/

Is it Double Jeopardy to Charge a Crime at both the State and Federal Level?

While it is true that the state cannot retry a person for murder (for example), once he or she has been found not guilty by a jury, double jeopardy does not mean that the federal government is forbidden from bringing its own murder prosecution provided the person violated both state and the federal laws.

A recent case out of Utah illustrates this example of a legal concept known as “dual sovereignty.”
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So while correct, what charge would they bring federally?
 
HappyHighwayman said:
Only if the murder was a specific type. I posted the link earlier.

WHy can't they just jail him for illegal immigration x 5?
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Not at all true. It's simply does the crime meet the requirements at the state and fed level. Usually similar enough that one would get the other but not always.

In this case murder was never on the books. There's a host of other things that are and gun charges are surefire. realistically without knowing all the details there's conversion from a government agent and gun charges and thus you get a manslaughter charge just because of the possession that he knew he shouldn't have had gun wise.

your link validates everything I have said as well. Read it thoroughly and understand it while keeping in ind legal definitions are different from standard.
 
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Kate Steinle and the Return of the Angry White Lynch Mob

Full Article:
https://www.theroot.com/kate-steinle-and-the-return-of-the-angry-white-lynch-mo-1820984744

The white lynch mob that protects white women has long enforced the American tenets of white supremacy. Mass incarceration and the racist war on drugs were kick-started when Harry Anslinger convinced the country that “marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.” It lit the spark that jump-started the lynching of Emmett Till. It evolved past pitchforks and burning crosses by bombing Black Wall Street. It forced the city of Minneapolis to fire its police chief when a Muslim immigrant allegedly killed Justine Damond.

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Even today, when alternative right-wingers like Richard Spencer gather their extremist masses and speak of the “fourteen words,” they are referring to a phrase that explains the entire existence of the neo-Nazi philosophy: “Because the beauty of the white Aryan women must not perish from the earth.”

America has never moved past this dirty little dog whistle, and now we are seeing it in full force. The country’s political and cultural climate has revved up white anxiety to the point where white men are ready to grab pitchforks again, and nothing exemplifies this more than the case of Kathryn Steinle. Her death and the acquittal of her accused killer have become a rallying cry for white supremacists, nervous Caucasians and even the president of the United States.
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Most important, Steinle’s death and the hoopla surrounding it have become the clarion call to rally the masses who believe that America belongs to them and the only way to preserve the supremacy of the great white race and its beautiful, innocent white women is to vanquish the violent brown and black threat with walls, nooses or deportation storm troopers. This case simply recycles the politics of fear and hate as the impetus to unite this nation’s oldest law-enforcement authority: The lynch mob.
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Yeah, you know who you are.
 
I wonder if they'll be able to maintain the hate or ramp it up in a few months? The weather looks like it's taken a toll on their ability to pull a decent sized crowd together. Looking pretty thin. :laughing

@Brett...beat me to it. :laughing
 
Elmer Gantry said:
The larger gathering is online, mostly hidden in a sub-forum which occasionally spills out publically into the Kitchen Sink.
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Ahhhh...the Call of Duty forums. Dangerous places!
 
Elmer Gantry said:
The larger gathering is online, mostly hidden in a sub-forum which occasionally spills out publically into the Kitchen Sink.
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The point is that if they don't believe strongly enough to brave the cool weather we have here in Cali then more than likely they don't have enough starch to do any real harm.
 
It’s okay to be white

It’s okay to be upset

It’s not okay that sanctuary city policy killed Kate.
 
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