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701 sm
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erok81
Member
Since you guys are talking about the Rottweiler intake/pcv have any of you had issues with it? I emailed them and they are looking at it, but figured I’d ask here too.
I got mine all installed with the ingition map and air intake (with slip on) and it’s surging a lot like I’m in too low of a gear. Happens slightly at maintenance throttle and more so when initially accelerating.
It took me a while to figure out what was wrong. This weekend I could hold a line worth anything. The bike was all over the place in corners. After a ton of testing on road I figure it’s the throttle.
I tried unhooking the o2 simulator (or whatever it’s called) but the issue still seemed to be there. Tune only has about 90 miles.
Or has everyone’s tune gone well and I’m just lucky?
I got mine all installed with the ingition map and air intake (with slip on) and it’s surging a lot like I’m in too low of a gear. Happens slightly at maintenance throttle and more so when initially accelerating.
It took me a while to figure out what was wrong. This weekend I could hold a line worth anything. The bike was all over the place in corners. After a ton of testing on road I figure it’s the throttle.
I tried unhooking the o2 simulator (or whatever it’s called) but the issue still seemed to be there. Tune only has about 90 miles.
Or has everyone’s tune gone well and I’m just lucky?
cg_ops
1-Armed Bandit
What map are you using?
erok81
Member
The one provided by Rottweiler. He gave me another file to reflash to see what does.
Side note: I think my clutch slaved died. Less than 5k miles too.
stan23
Well-known member
I don't have any issues like that. Are you on the first gen motor or 2nd gen one?
I would unhook the PCV and put everything back to stock and see if you have any issues stock.
The latest PCV does not include an 02 eliminator. It was mentioned by PCV that it is no longer needed.
I am using PC's 003 map and it is incredible.
cg_ops
1-Armed Bandit
The one provided by Rottweiler. He gave me another file to reflash to see what does.
Side note: I think my clutch slaved died. Less than 5k miles too.
Unless he reached out to someone and got an updated version, Chris is using an autotuned map for the 690/701. When I was at SpeedMob he had asked me to send him a copy of my map to use for his site (he offered to pay for it). I ended up leaving SM and never got back to him. So I'm not sure if he ever got a custom map or if it's still the auto.
When I had Will at MWorks tune mine, I had already put the rottweiler into it. He was confused by the wild variations between fueling increments and figured it must be indicative of an auto-tuner.
Here's mine before we finished the last 20%. I never got the final map, sadly. (Stopped tuning after 80% throttle b/c of blown head gasket)
Final/current map added a couple hp up top and softened the bottom end for easier slow/parking lot maneuvering.
Woody146
Back on 2!
- Joined
- Sep 16, 2012
- Location
- San Jose
- Moto(s)
- 22’ FTR
22’ MT 10
Past- FZ8, S1000R-2015, S1000R-2018, S1000RR-2020, 701 SM
More brake lever adjustment and better brake feel. I also still have fully functioning ABS system.
Niiiiiiice!!! Looks killer man! Bet it stops on a dime!
Down the line, I was thinking about doing this! Where Did you get the brake line extension and the resivor and bracket?
erok81
Member
It’s a 2018 so I’m guessing 2nd gen?
Yeah I’m planning on unhooking the pcv to see if it’s the intake install or the pcv that’s causing the problem.
Exactly on the o2 eliminator. I was really confused when I installed mine. Rottweiler said install it but PC’s site says not to. I tried with and without abs it’s pretty much the same issue.
If my slave hadn’t died this week I’d do more testing. Parts won’t be here until Monday so looks like next weekend I’ll test again.
Unless he reached out to someone and got an updated version, Chris is using an autotuned map for the 690/701. When I was at SpeedMob he had asked me to send him a copy of my map to use for his site (he offered to pay for it). I ended up leaving SM and never got back to him. So I'm not sure if he ever got a custom map or if it's still the auto.
When I had Will at MWorks tune mine, I had already put the rottweiler into it. He was confused by the wild variations between fueling increments and figured it must be indicative of an auto-tuner.
Here's mine before we finished the last 20%. I never got the final map, sadly. (Stopped tuning after 80% throttle b/c of blown head gasket)
Final/current map added a couple hp up top and softened the bottom end for easier slow/parking lot maneuvering.
That fine tune looks good. The map he gave me is just the same one that’s already on the PC. Just reflash same map and see how it goes.
You guys have me half tempted to try a PC map now.
I can now trail brake better with the new master. The master has two adjustments for standard brake feel or stronger brake feel. I am very happy with the upgrade. As an added bonus, the front ABS does not kick in as often when I brake to a stop at the bottom of a steep hill.
Parts list: I bought all these parts from CarpiMoto.
1. 110A26385 Brembo RCS brake reservoir kit (comes with the bracket)
2. 170101 Fren Tubo Universal radial master cylinder adapter
3. C.110A26390 CarpiMoto Clamp with Mirror adapter for Brembo RCS Master Cylinder
A tip-you need to mock-up the brake reservoir container so you can determine two things. One, how much of the hose you need to cut-off so you do not have a kink or pinch in the hose from the reservoir to the brake master. Two, so you can bend the reservoir bracket slightly so that the reservoir sits horizontal while your bike is fully upright. Be careful when you are bending the bracket back and forth so that you do not cause a stress fracture.
Another tip-don't reuse the copper washers between the banjo bolt and the master. Use the thicker stainless steel washers that came with the Fren Tubo Universal radial master cylinder adapter.
if you want a bling reservoir, I have https://www.bellissimoto.com/parts/braking-1/reservoirs/aem-factory-billet-aluminum-reservoir-tank on my RCS and it sits right on the nipple on the master, with no line or bracket
cg_ops
1-Armed Bandit
I keep forgetting to turn off my ABS when tracking... anyone notice a big difference in braking power with it on/off? There were definitely times where I felt like the ABS was limiting my late braking ability into 10 and 14 this weekend at thunderhill. The anti-endo sensor is very sensitive, I think
If you do buy new front brake line you have to make sure the banjo bolt that bolts to the brake master cylinder has a bottom mount configuration.
The stock master and stock brake line is set up for a side mount. Using the adapter allows you to use the side mount configuration on the stock brake line and so it bolts to the bottom mount for the RCS master.
JesasaurusRex
On a break
cg_ops
1-Armed Bandit
Annnnd now i know why i can't lift the rear tire for the life of me
I realized it had it when I was nearly hit by an oncoming car that fishtailed into my lane near Berryessa. I was doing ~60 as were they. I had ZERO time to react other than to mash the front brake lever into the grip. Had I been on a bike without ABS I'd have UNQUESTIONABLY gone over the bars. I missed their rear quarter panel by less than a foot.
When I finally pulled myself together after pulling over, I wondered how the hell I didn't go over the bars with such a feral reaction to burrying the brake lever into the bar. ABS was the ONLY answer.
ABS won me over for life that day. I never ever turn it off on the street. On the track.... well, I'd prefer it off for funsies.
JesasaurusRex
On a break
I was telling BP not that long ago that i have no idea why i can't endo that bike, used to have zero problems with other bikes. Probably would have kept trying had i not seen this post
.I'm with you on abs being awesome though for the most. You can turn the rear off whenever you want by holding the button down while starting it or some crap like that. You probably know that already, if you don't, instructions are in the service manual.
cg_ops
1-Armed Bandit
I'm with you on abs being awesome though for the most. You can turn the rear off whenever you want by holding the button down while starting it or some crap like that. You probably know that already, if you don't, instructions are in the service manual.
You actually need a dongle to just do the rear. I have one I need to sell if you're interested. I bought one when I got my bike but the dealer had already installed one... so now I have 2.
Without the dongle, you can only turn off ABS for both or neither.
erok81
Member
Oooh if he doesn’t want it I’m interested.
JesasaurusRex
On a break
huh? i haven't tried it but the manual says you can turn it off. Do you have a 16 or something? Take a picture of the page if you want me to.
*edit, oh i just reread what you said. I thought it just did the rear, gonna go check
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JesasaurusRex
On a break
so, my motor took a sh*t about an hour ago
4500 miles
still not sure wtf happened as this took place like an hour ago
but there's a pretty decent size hole in my valve cover. Heard some mechanical damage for a second that cleared up almost immediately so initially i thought the piston kissed the valve for a second or something since it took place at high rpm. Traveled about another 600 ft or so and came to a light and the bike started smoking from the oil pouring onto the exhaust. So i killed the bike and had the wife pick me up with the trailer.
Not sure what happened exactly since the motor still seemed to run fine before i shut it off. No loss of power or anything. Peaking through my new window there looks to be a missing bolt that attaches the timing chain gear to the cam so i donno if that backed out and punched a hole through the valve cover or if there was never one to begin with.
Warranty better be smooth
4500 miles
still not sure wtf happened as this took place like an hour ago
but there's a pretty decent size hole in my valve cover. Heard some mechanical damage for a second that cleared up almost immediately so initially i thought the piston kissed the valve for a second or something since it took place at high rpm. Traveled about another 600 ft or so and came to a light and the bike started smoking from the oil pouring onto the exhaust. So i killed the bike and had the wife pick me up with the trailer.
Not sure what happened exactly since the motor still seemed to run fine before i shut it off. No loss of power or anything. Peaking through my new window there looks to be a missing bolt that attaches the timing chain gear to the cam so i donno if that backed out and punched a hole through the valve cover or if there was never one to begin with.
Warranty better be smooth
ILOAD2
Well-known member
the 690 motor has been fantastic! Its possible to increase HP to 81 and change with an intake hardware modification and some value changes in the OEM ECU..
JesasaurusRex
On a break
so i'm almost certain that a bolt backed out of my timing chain gear. pulled a fairing to get a little better view and there seems to be a threaded hole under another bolt but no bolt is to be found. I did find a spring thing that looks like it matches the spring thing attached to another bolt in the timing gear so my money's on that.
quick google last night for '701 engine failure' turned up a thread that said there's actually a recall for some 2018 models for something similar. Husky website is trash tho and is turning up an error so not sure if my bike falls into that recall, but it certainly seems like it needed to if it didn't.
related thread
husky recall URL i keep getting an "error" when i enter my info but maybe you guys will have more luck. Probably worth checking out if you have this bike and it hasn't blown up yet.
Anyways, more pictures.
1st picture shows nothing missing
2nd picture shows threaded hole without bolt
3rd picture shows springy thing in hand and what looks to be matching springy thing on timing gear
quick google last night for '701 engine failure' turned up a thread that said there's actually a recall for some 2018 models for something similar. Husky website is trash tho and is turning up an error so not sure if my bike falls into that recall, but it certainly seems like it needed to if it didn't.
related thread
husky recall URL i keep getting an "error" when i enter my info but maybe you guys will have more luck. Probably worth checking out if you have this bike and it hasn't blown up yet.
Anyways, more pictures.
1st picture shows nothing missing
2nd picture shows threaded hole without bolt
3rd picture shows springy thing in hand and what looks to be matching springy thing on timing gear
erok81
Member
Ouch indeed. Where’d you get the delivery number to check husky’s site? I have the VIN obviously. But no where do I have a delivery number.
My paperwork has an engine number and stock number but no delivery number.
My paperwork has an engine number and stock number but no delivery number.
JesasaurusRex
On a break
Should be a paper that says delivery certificate at the top of it. Standard size white paper, nothing fancy.