AB1371 - Another victory the spandex squad

[Breaking Daniel]

You do understand that your sense of entitlement is just that, right?

How can you say it's a sense of entitlement I have as if that is wrong? I pay the fuckin' taxes for the roadway, not the cyclist. It's dangerous is what it boils down to. Bicycles are not allowed on 101 are they? No, because the speed there is too high and deemed "dangerous" at 65mph. So how does a skinny two-lane road with a 45mph suddenly become safe and acceptable for them to do it on?

Roads in most places of the world are called MOTORways if that helps explain it to you a little better. I don't mean to pick a fight here, but the roads were built for cars. Plain and simple. You don't see anyone bicycling on a roller rink do you? Or riding a dirt bike in a skateboard/rollerblade park.

 

[Surj]

Just as every other method of transportation being used on that roadway is regulated, and insured, so should a bicyclist.

Walking too?

No kidding. Some BARFer on Section 8 working his McJob is going to give me grief because he pays $500 a year in gas taxes? I pay more in taxes than he makes. I'm not condecending because he makes less than me and I'm not better than him, but don't give me any shit about not paying the "right" tax. You have no idea how much I pay. I'm not a 1%-er, but I pay plenty. I pay way more for those roads than most of the people using them. You can hate how I use the roads but the tax arguments don't hold any water.

Let me start kicking kids out of schools because their parents rent and don't pay property taxes.

You know who ever owns the rental property pays property taxes, right?

How can you say it's a sense of entitlement I have as if that is wrong? I pay the fuckin' taxes for the roadway, not the cyclist. It's dangerous is what it boils down to. Bicycles are not allowed on 101 are they? No, because the speed there is too high and deemed "dangerous" at 65mph. So how does a skinny two-lane road with a 45mph suddenly become safe and acceptable for them to do it on?

Roads in most places of the world are called MOTORways if that helps explain it to you a little better. I don't mean to pick a fight here, but the roads were built for cars. Plain and simple. You don't see anyone bicycling on a roller rink do you? Or riding a dirt bike in a skateboard/rollerblade park.

Your argument is a lot like the "roads were designed with LANES for a reason, motorcyclists should stay in them!" arguments that drivers sometimes use and makes about as much sense to me, which is to say I don't think it makes sense.

 

[ktm_guy]

Ok so how do I give the 3' bubble and not cross the DY line? I mean in my truck

Did I miss something or did the law makers forget something like common sense?

 

[MCCRASH]

No kidding. Some BARFer on Section 8 working his McJob is going to give me grief because he pays $500 a year in gas taxes? I pay more in taxes than he makes. I'm not condecending because he makes less than me and I'm not better than him, but don't give me any shit about not paying the "right" tax. You have no idea how much I pay. I'm not a 1%-er, but I pay plenty. I pay way more for those roads than most of the people using them. You can hate how I use the roads but the tax arguments don't hold any water.

Let me start kicking kids out of schools because their parents rent and don't pay property taxes.

Boo-yah!

 

[babyhuyx]

No kidding. Some BARFer on Section 8 working his McJob is going to give me grief because he pays $500 a year in gas taxes? I pay more in taxes than he makes. I'm not condecending because he makes less than me and I'm not better than him, but don't give me any shit about not paying the "right" tax. You have no idea how much I pay. I'm not a 1%-er, but I pay plenty. I pay way more for those roads than most of the people using them. You can hate how I use the roads but the tax arguments don't hold any water.

Let me start kicking kids out of schools because their parents rent and don't pay property taxes.

+1

Tell me about it. I get taxed so much on my Bonus and stocks its retarded. 70% on rsu...like really!? Its not like I worked my ass off the entire year for some RSU bonus just so they can take 70%!!

Ok so how do I give the 3' bubble and not cross the DY line? I mean in my truck

Did I miss something or did the law makers forget something like common sense?

So your one of them people that take up the entire lane and force me to move while splitting!!! damn you!!!
All kidding aside, 3ft really isn't that much. Average width of a lane is 8.2 to 10.7 ft (wiki). CA max vehicle width is 8.5ft. But thats the extreme side of the spectrum, so I doubt many vehicles are in that category.
Unless you drive something large like a F150, which is about 8ft across...then yea not sure

 

[budman]

I am going to throw this into reality.. because I pay taxes and Obama said I could.. Not pimping on anyone in this thread.. just time for a smile I think.

Besides Antarius knows his shit.

I think it should be a law to operate any vehicle on a public roadway, you must have all three things listed below:

1) Valid vehicle registration - this is priced based on weight. If you are fat you pay a lot.. if your skinny then not so much because heart disease is killing our medical costs and it takes more cows to make a set of leathers for a big guy, which means more beef will be eaten, which in turn adds to even more heart disease and health care cost and even more cows being lost.. vicious circle.

2) Valid insurance for that vehicle that covers everyone within a square mile with 5 million in health care costs. That will keep people off the roads and I can own 9.

3) Proof that you have a Driver License, proof you are a citizen, proof that your not an alien (except for the motoGP type of aliens of course) and proof that your kids participate in shit where trophies are ONLY GIVEN TO THE DAMN WINNERS!

It's fair, it's reasonable, and it's common sense. If you are operating a vehicle on a roadway, you should be paying for the upkeep of that roadway, eat smarter, defend the constitution of the country you live in and provide health insurance for everyone around you.

If you are operating a vehicle on a roadway that can cause a collision, you should have passed the AFM new racer school, stayed at a holiday inn express and passed the 12th grade... And finally, if you are operating a vehicle on the roadway, you should have demonstrated that you can fucking hit the the road signs with a 22 when you blow through them.

America.. fuck yeah

 

[babyhuyx]

I am going to throw this into reality.. because I pay taxes and Obama said I could.. Not pimping on anyone in this thread.. just time for a smile I think.

Besides Antarius knows his shit.



America.. fuck yeah

Lol if this shit actually happen....
We gonna have bicycle speed limits.
Cyclist gets pulled over by cyclocop.
License, Registration, and Insurance please sir.
Bicycle speed chase....

 

[TrueFader]

My concern isn't having to provide a 3' bubble while passing on my mot, but the oncoming car providing a 3' bubble to the cyclist in his lane, putting him/her across the DY into my lane. Already happens too much without a 3' bubble requirement, not there's a law forcing it. The flip side is a car in my lane going the speed of the cyclist because they don't have room for a 3' bubble without illegally crossing the DY, creating another hazard.

 

[RickM]

I got pulled over for speeding on bicycle in Davis. exceeding 15 mph in the bike path. Only got a warning though. It would have been a point on my record if he wrote me a ticket.

I know several people in Davis who got tickets for earphones in both ears, running stop signs, not having a headlight at night etc in Davis.

 

[Carlo_Guzzi]

alm You know who ever owns the rental property pays property taxes, right?

Yeah, first hand. That's my point. The renters aren't paying the RIGHT taxes, they aren't paying property taxes. Exactly the way cyclists aren't paying road taxes at the moment they are cycling.

People who advance the tax argument seem to say bicycles don't pay taxes, and that's true. Cars don't pay taxes either. People (and occasionally corporations) pay taxes. Some people who pay a heck of a lot of taxes and road fees ride bicycles.

 

[bikeama]

+1

Tell me about it. I get taxed so much on my Bonus and stocks its retarded. 70% on rsu...like really!? Its not like I worked my ass off the entire year for some RSU bonus just so they can take 70%!!

70% may be withheld. But I do not think you are paying 70%. If you are you need a now CPA the top tax rate for 2013 is 39.6% on taxable income over $400,000.

 

[Archimedes]

All kidding aside, 3ft really isn't that much. Average width of a lane is 8.2 to 10.7 ft (wiki). CA max vehicle width is 8.5ft. But thats the extreme side of the spectrum, so I doubt many vehicles are in that category.
Unless you drive something large like a F150, which is about 8ft across...then yea not sure

The average width of a lane up in the hills certainly is not the width of my truck +3 feet. And remember, Captain Spandex ain't riding right along the edge of the pavement, they're usually a couple of feet off it. To follow this ridiculous law you'd probably need to be about 5-6 feet off of the road edge when you pass, which is impossible to do in a lot of places around here without crossing the center line. I have no intention of crossing the center line. Which is fine, because I seriously doubt the cops will be able to enforce this stupid law much anyway.

 

[mrmarklin]

OP is uninformed about how taxes work.

"Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937."

Your condescending attitude towards cyclists shows your bias and doesn't help your "argument" either.

Road tax is in every gallon of gasoline we buy, and supposedly goes to a trust fund for maintenance.

 

[Teddy]

....the guy pedaling the $12500 carbon bike up in the hills probably pays more "road taxes" each year on their fleet of high-end automobiles than we'd ever imagine....

It's another vehicle on the road guys....respect it. Bicycles have been around the longest...so they get the right of way, thats how I look at it. Don't get me wrong, I've been frustrated by packs of cyclists suddenly popping out into the middle of the lane with no warning or care of whats behind them...but we startle people every day as well. If you have trouble passing bicycles safely on a motorcycle then you need to check the attitude, cause that is the only thing making it hard, there is plenty of space........if they are holding you up in your car.......then WTF are you doing driving a car?

The world sucks, we should all stay inside....

 

[clutchslip]

I've posted this damned link 4 times now. ROADS ARE MAINTAINED BY THE GENERAL FUND, NOT "ROAD/CAR/VEHICLE TAX". In other words: DMV fees do not cover the cost of your using the road. In fact, cars do exponentially more damage to our highway infrastructure than do bicycles. That means that you being in a car costs more in taxes for road upkeep than a bicycle does, and DMV fees doesn't cover nearly enough to make that cost come close to a cyclist.

Nice propaganda, but not accurate in the State of California. Perhaps a review of the California Budget would help you out. Unless you are paying fuel taxes and other niceties on your bike, I don't think you are paying squat to use the roads on a bicycle.

That piece appears to reference a british issue, where for centuries, the King and local noblemen charged for use of their roads, you know, like we have today, TOLL ROADS and BRIDGES. Ever pay a toll on your bicycle crossing the Golden Gate Bridge? Didn't think so.

 

[antidote]

Or riding a dirt bike in a skateboard/rollerblade park.

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[Marcoose]

I pay the fuckin' taxes for the roadway, not the cyclist.

Everybody pays taxes, towards a big heap of money that is distributed where needed, whether roads, schools, beaches, hospitals, etc.

...who ever owns the rental property pays property taxes, right?

Surj, ad valorem is a liability owed by the owner and (presumably) passed through to the renter via the rent payment. The renter (almost) always pays for everything, and the owner bears the risks of ownership.

Tell me about it. I get taxed so much on my Bonus and stocks its retarded. 70% on rsu...like really!? Its not like I worked my ass off the entire year for some RSU bonus just so they can take 70%!!

Poor you! May I please quote you at the next volunteering at the shelter? BTW, fire your mofo CPA and hire Romney's.

 

[two wheel tramp]

Yeah, first hand. That's my point. The renters aren't paying the RIGHT taxes, they aren't paying property taxes. Exactly the way cyclists aren't paying road taxes at the moment they are cycling.

People who advance the tax argument seem to say bicycles don't pay taxes, and that's true. Cars don't pay taxes either. People (and occasionally corporations) pay taxes. Some people who pay a heck of a lot of taxes and road fees ride bicycles.

Are you paying taxes every moment you're on the road? Can anyone? How does that work?

 

[clutchslip]

Everybody pays taxes, towards a big heap of money that is distributed where needed, whether roads, schools, beaches, hospitals, etc.

See my previous post. Actually the Department of Transportation has "loaned" money to the General Fund, the General Fund has then paid back the Transportation fund. No one has paid with income taxes for roads. The money is already there from various transportation taxes and fees. It's like the Feds and Social Security. They steal the money for other purposes.

Here is a quote from an actual California Budget Document, for one's edification:

In 2009, a state appeals court ruled that many of these uses were not allowable under statutory provisions adopted by voters. Specifically, the court held that about $1.2 billion in state transit funding could not be used as directed in the 2007-08 budget plan. As a consequence, the General Fund will have to repay this amount for public transportation purposes. The repayment terms are likely to be determined later in 2010.

 

[Valgar]

Are you paying taxes every moment you're on the road? Can anyone? How does that work?

The NSA backdoors into your odometer and reports it to the IRS.