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Active shooter takes hostages at Yountville (Napa) VA Home

Schnellbandit said:
I never knew that is all they (gun control interests) wanted, for gun owners to come up with a solution. Would that be in the same way drunks fixed DUI driving, drug addicts solved drug addiction and chemical companies solved the child poisoning problems?
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LOL. Good points.
 
Climber said:
Well, it's mostly people who had fucked up childhoods who go into psychology and end up treating people with fucked up childhoods and trying to make them normal....
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Soooooo they go out and educate themselves on the subject before pushing knee jerk useless solutions?
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Soooooo they go out and educate themselves on the subject before pushing knee jerk useless solutions?
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If I went to a driving instructor for lessons on how to drive better, I wouldn't pick the one with a ton of accidents. Just sayin.

My experience with psychologists is that they are in the upper quadrant of screwed up individuals more often than not. So, how are they going to help people fix themselves?
 
Can this thread go to the politics area yet? It's long stopped being about anything related to Yountville or the Vets Home.
 
Back on topic: sadly just found out one of the ladies killed worked with the veterans office at San Jose state while I attended there in 2016. She just transferred up north recently last year. One of the other ladies I still know at SJSU let me know.
 
Holeshot said:
Looks like they did:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/us/texas-austin-blasts/index.html

Like Eldity pointed out; Bombs baby, bombs.

I'm pretty sure we should be off to ban bombs now. Or at least ban them from people with mental health problems.
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I read this and while I am concerned it could become the new thing, it is not getting enough media hype to impregnate the group subconscious. Thankfully, the group psychosis will not yet realize how much easier to obtain and more effective explosives and chemical agents are.
 
Eldritch said:
I read this and while I am concerned it could become the new thing, it is not getting enough media hype to impregnate the group subconscious. Thankfully, the group psychosis will not yet realize how much easier to obtain and more effective explosives and chemical agents are.
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The fact that the Oklahoma City bombing didn't spawn other copycat bombings should be somewhat comforting, it certainly wouldn't be that tough for others to do something similar.
 
Climber said:
The fact that the Oklahoma City bombing didn't spawn other copycat bombings should be somewhat comforting, it certainly wouldn't be that tough for others to do something similar.
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While I use McVeigh as an example, truth be told, his level of skill is beyond what a regular civilian could be expected to muster. He was an exceptional private ordinance man. The bomb he built was actually really impressive for a home job. Part of why he didn't catch on was the attack location. In order to put it into the minds of the bad guys, it has to be more relateable. You need to normalize the experience more. When an Ex-Military Guy goes and attacks a Government building on a epic scale, people just go :wtf Now if a high school drop out blows up a Walmart, there is a small fucked of percentage of the population that reads, "That could be me, I could do that." The more your broadcast that thing, the more likely it is to stick.

Here is a show of a school more interested in the right approach.

https://www.abqjournal.com/1145498/aztec-high-school-plans-walk-up-in-wake-of-gun-violence.html

They want to attack this as a social issue. Kids talking about bringing in odd kids out of the cold, making friends and including outsiders. The only real way to solve the school murders problem is by embracing the Unity in Community.

The school violence problem will never be solved until we discard this new divisive model of American politics and embrace our neighbors across the aisle. The us vs. them mentality of our nation must be destroyed and we have to go back to the old American idea of standing together against the rest of the world, not aligned against one another.
 
Eldritch said:
While I use McVeigh as an example, truth be told, his level of skill is beyond what a regular civilian could be expected to muster. He was an exceptional private ordinance man. The bomb he built was actually really impressive for a home job. Part of why he didn't catch on was the attack location. In order to put it into the minds of the bad guys, it has to be more relateable. You need to normalize the experience more. When an Ex-Military Guy goes and attacks a Government building on a epic scale, people just go :wtf Now if a high school drop out blows up a Walmart, there is a small fucked of percentage of the population that reads, "That could be me, I could do that." The more your broadcast that thing, the more likely it is to stick.

Here is a show of a school more interested in the right approach.

https://www.abqjournal.com/1145498/aztec-high-school-plans-walk-up-in-wake-of-gun-violence.html

They want to attack this as a social issue. Kids talking about bringing in odd kids out of the cold, making friends and including outsiders. The only real way to solve the school murders problem is by embracing the Unity in Community.

The school violence problem will never be solved until we discard this new divisive model of American politics and embrace our neighbors across the aisle. The us vs. them mentality of our nation must be destroyed and we have to go back to the old American idea of standing together against the rest of the world, not aligned against one another.
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Good points on all accounts.

However, the internet has all kinds of information for people who want to learn how to do things, even though they might not achieve the level of efficiency that McVey did, they could still cause quite a bit of devastation with less efficient blasts.

I fully agree that the divided nature of our nation probably is the strongest contributor to these mass shootings. The causes are all over the place, from politics to the examples set in hollywood from their shows with the 'cool kids' often being flaming assholes to home life where the parents aren't interacting with their kids to the extent that they should because they're working too much to our communities where neighbors don't even talk to each other.
 
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MysterYvil said:
Suleiman's sappers, way back before. IED artists for the more recent memory. Also package bombers, from the IRA to Mark Hofmann.
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Yeah, there sure is a history for it, but most of that is not really relatable to American Kids today. That was the killer about Klebold and Harris. Those guys are going to 2/3rds of the schools in America every day, at least a couple of them.
 
When the destruction of the family began, along with it came the violence. No need to worry about children, the village will take care of them and such a fine job it has done too. Fathers became non-essential, mothers became another income source and who needs either anyway, the schools are supposed to deal with kids.

Religion became a scourge yet the fundamental concepts of caring about fellow human beings, compassion, integrity and so on were demonized right along with it to be replaced by the "me" generations, instant gratification and envy and jealousy of anyone and anything someone didn't have but someone else did.

But none of that caused any of what is going on, we evolved. We sure did, how do you like it?

And just cause it has to be said, I am.not advocating in any way for religion of any kind. We just threw out the baby with the bath water and there are plenty running around saying that was a good thing but never offered anything better themselves.
 
Schnellbandit said:
When the destruction of the family began, along with it came the violence. No need to worry about children, the village will take care of them and such a fine job it has done too. Fathers became non-essential, mothers became another income source and who needs either anyway, the schools are supposed to deal with kids.

Religion became a scourge yet the fundamental concepts of caring about fellow human beings, compassion, integrity and so on were demonized right along with it to be replaced by the "me" generations, instant gratification and envy and jealousy of anyone and anything someone didn't have but someone else did.

But none of that caused any of what is going on, we evolved. We sure did, how do you like it?

And just cause it has to be said, I am.not advocating in any way for religion of any kind. We just threw out the baby with the bath water and there are plenty running around saying that was a good thing but never offered anything better themselves.
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Well, the utter stupidity of the Lie of God will always be a whole hearted attack on moral behavior, and of course the falsehood of divinity is always an absolute divorce from actual morality, but yeah family and community values do need to be restored without any evil garbage like Religion getting in the way of it. You make a good point.
 
Eldritch said:
Yeah, there sure is a history for it, but most of that is not really relatable to American Kids today. That was the killer about Klebold and Harris. Those guys are going to 2/3rds of the schools in America every day, at least a couple of them.
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For every school shooting there is probably 10 where they assembled the guns but didn't go through with the shooting.
For every group/individual who assembled the guns for a school shooting, there were probably 100 who planned it out but didn't assemble the guns.
For every group/individual who planned a school shooting, there were probably 1000 who thought about it to some degree or another.

Scary thoughts when you add up the numbers.

Do people think that my numbers are about right? Your numbers?
 
Climber said:
For every school shooting there is probably 10 where they assembled the guns but didn't go through with the shooting.
For every group/individual who assembled the guns for a school shooting, there were probably 100 who planned it out but didn't assemble the guns.
For every group/individual who planned a school shooting, there were probably 1000 who thought about it to some degree or another.

Scary thoughts when you add up the numbers.

Do people think that my numbers are about right? Your numbers?
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I think to actually quantify your formula would be nearly impossible, but the sentiment is 100% correct.
 
Eldritch said:
Well, the utter stupidity of the Lie of God will always be a whole hearted attack on moral behavior, and of course the falsehood of divinity is always an absolute divorce from actual morality, but yeah family and community values do need to be restored without any evil garbage like Religion getting in the way of it. You make a good point.
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Yes, there always seems to be some need to wrap up things that are right, good and contributing to a better whole in the blankets of control, facade and ultimately self serving interest.

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On the numbers of people who think about doing something bs those who actually do it, nothing new there, that applies to everything. The value in seeing that idea in any application is through the thought crime agenda. Who among us hasn't had the flash of thought when someone cuts us off on the road, has done something to us where the something other than pure kindness wasn't the primary wish? The slippery slope rears its ugly head in so many different ways using so many different vectors but they all lead in the same direction even if denied or explained away - control.
 
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