Another idiot screwed by the Yamaha dealer

[RbrSidDown]

Mileage means nothing on a motorcycle you actually plan on riding. Even then, having zero miles (which I find hard to believe) doesn't make your bike worth $8K more than dealership retail for the same thing.

Just curious why it is hard to believe that the bike has 0 miles? It's not like it's my only R1 LE, let alone motorcycle.

 

[Lester Green]

Dealership retail was $18.5K. Add tax and it was nearly $21K. As I said before, if you find the same bike for less in California, good for you. Also, I never said whoever buys it has to ride it home...

has it had the same fluids siting in the bike all this time? what storing procedures were taken, if any?

 

[Kornholio]

Because every bike I've ever seen in a dealership has been tested at the factory. Quality Control probably would want to make sure a bike works before shipping it out to their dealers, don't you think. They always have a handful of miles from being ran on a dyno.

 

[RbrSidDown]

Because every bike I've ever seen in a dealership has been tested at the factory. Quality Control probably would want to make sure a bike works before shipping it out to their dealers, don't you think. They always have a handful of miles from being ran on a dyno.

OK, let me be as specific as I can for the lawyer - the motor has the fewest revolutions possible if you were to have purchased the bike new from the dealership. The wheels have never moved under the power of the engine and the brakes have never been applied while it was rolling (although there are some very slight lines on the rotors from the dragging of the pads as I pushed it a total of approx. 30 feet). The odometer and trip meters read 0 miles (yes, I know the trip meters can be reset or the speedo cluster could have been replaced). There is no heat discoloration on any part of the bike. I don't know how else to say the bike is still in the same condition as when it left the factory.

 

[RbrSidDown]

has it had the same fluids siting in the bike all this time? what storing procedures were taken, if any?

Gas drained, battery removed, sitting on stands under an official yamaha R1 cover. Oil and coolant are still in it but I didn't think that was much of a concern since the coolant is corrosion inhibiting. I'll drain the coolant if I keep it a few more years.

 

[Kornholio]

You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want, how's that Mr. Patronizing?

 

[RbrSidDown]

You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want, how's that Mr. Patronizing?

Last time I checked, I wasn't the one busting balls...

 

[Kornholio]

Last time I checked, I wasn't the one busting balls...

Nope, just pocket books.

 

[Lester Green]

Gas drained, battery removed, sitting on stands under an official yamaha R1 cover. Oil and coolant are still in it but I didn't think that was much of a concern since the coolant is corrosion inhibiting. I'll drain the coolant if I keep it a few more years.

just a side note, you may want to check with the dealership to make sure. But, I'm not sure it's such a good idea to have the bike sitting on stands for that amount of time with the suspension unsprung (is that the right term?) and not bearing weight like it was designed to do.

I know people do it all the time. I always put my rear tire on a stand, but I ride it often. Three years is a long time on stands. I would think 1 year is too long.

 

[RbrSidDown]

just a side note, you may want to check with the dealership to make sure. But, I'm not sure it's such a good idea to have the bike sitting on stands for that amount of time with the suspension unsprung (is that the right term?) and not bearing weight like it was designed to do.

I know people do it all the time. I always put my rear tire on a stand, but I ride it often. Three years is a long time on stands. I would think 1 year is too long.

As a certified public mechanical engineer, I can assure you that it is not an issue. I would be more concerned with flat-spotting the tires if it was sitting on the ground the entire time.

 

[Beauregard]

just a side note, you may want to check with the dealership to make sure. But, I'm not sure it's such a good idea to have the bike sitting on stands for that amount of time with the suspension unsprung (is that the right term?) and not bearing weight like it was designed to do.

I know people do it all the time. I always put my rear tire on a stand, but I ride it often. Three years is a long time on stands. I would think 1 year is too long.

Hey Les, it wouldn't make a difference; springs deteriorate with in-out action. Remaining tensioned or slack does nothing to their resilience.

I'd be more interested in the chemical breakdown of the oil in the forks (but I still don't honestly think it would be an issue).

 

[Lester Green]

As a certified public mechanical engineer, I can assure you that it is not an issue. I would be more concerned with flat-spotting the tires if it was sitting on the ground the entire time.

Hey Les, it wouldn't make a difference; springs deteriorate with in-out action. Remaining tensioned or slack does nothing to their resilience.

I'd be more interested in the chemical breakdown of the oil in the forks (but I still don't honestly think it would be an issue).

... Thanks for the clarification, as i had heard somewhere on the internet (so it must be true ), that it was bad to leave a bike on stands for extended periods.

 

[elbacalao]

Good luck with the sale of the moto. It's a beautiful bike.

 

[back2thelab]

Is the official R1 cover included for EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS over bluebook??

 

[Raz0rback]

Why would you buy a bike for over 20K (if you paid that) and not ride it? It's not like your bike is any more special then another R1 LE

 

[RbrSidDown]

Why would you buy a bike for over 20K (if you paid that) and not ride it? It's not like your bike is any more special then another R1 LE

Your right, the R1 LE I'm selling is no more special than the R1 LE I ride. Anyway, pics are in the "for sale" thread just in case...

 

[RbrSidDown]

Is the official R1 cover included for EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS over bluebook??

The values listed in the Blue Book assume a refurbished bike with typical annual miles on it (they assume a 2006 has over 20K miles on it!) - you may want to read up...

 

[Kornholio]

Dude, 20K or 0 doesn't matter. This isn't some collector car that's over 50 years old.

Right from the KBB page...

"The Kelley Blue Book Suggested Retail Value is representative of dealers' asking prices for a used unit in excellent condition."

Remind me again how excellent condition is the same as refurbished? :|

Also, if you would've kept reading you would've found this...

"This value also takes into account the dealers' profit, costs for advertising, sales commissions and other costs of doing business."

The $12,705 amount is, again, reflective of a DEALERSHIP'S PRICE and is including things like sales tax, licensing and other internal costs which dealers always add to everything including the used bikes. As a private seller, you can ask what a dealer's selling price is, but any idiot should know not to pay you what they can get haggled down at a dealer for less money.

FWIW, KBB really needs to add a "Private Party" function to the motorcycle sales area. As it has been mentioned on BARF before, the best way to gauge a price for private party off of KBB is to average the trade-in value and the retail value for the bike. In that case, you'd be looking at $10,952.50

(Retail=$12,705 + Trade-in= $9200 /2 = $10952.50)

 

[RbrSidDown]

I think you answer your own question when you say that the KBB value is for a USED bike. This is not a used bike. Why do you care? Don't buy the bike...you obviously can not afford it.

 

[Kornholio]

Cute. Actually I could.

This isn't the actual sale ad so I'm free to exercise my opinion on it. You don't like it? Leave.

Furthermore, yes it is used. It became "used" the minute it left the dealer's floor.