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Any bay area store has Klim Hardanger for sizing?

mrmarklin said:
Yes, they do. And have a very good selection.
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Just spoke to them. They are not taking orders since they do not have much idea on sizing. But the guy said they are expecting the suits to arrive in the next couple of days. Once he has them, he'll give me a ring and we'll take it from there.

Need to blow that bonus money somewhere :teeth :party
 
One of my bikes has the controller velcro'd to the top of the clutch reservior and the other bike has the controller velcro'd to the front of the tank within easy reach of my left hand. Works great. Before I got the second controller, I would move it from bike to bike.
 
dravnx said:
One of my bikes has the controller velcro'd to the top of the clutch reservior and the other bike has the controller velcro'd to the front of the tank within easy reach of my left hand. Works great. Before I got the second controller, I would move it from bike to bike.
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I am using the HotWired one from CG and the controller is integrated in the jacket liner at the bottom. Been thinking of exchanging it with Gerbing to go to your kinda setup.
 

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I adjust the controller way too much to not have it convenient.
70-80 mph it's cranked up. Get into the split and I have to turn it down.
 
vaibhavdesai137 said:
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Now just need to figure out an efficient way to connect the wires when on bike. I wear the helmet first, then connect gloves and then connect the coax to jacket liner. This is all good but then its hard to reach controller inside the jacket to turn it on with the helmet. I think I should connect/start the controller first and then wear helmet.
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My way is dual controller in a holster, always plugged into jacket liner. Often jacket liner gets left inside my Roadcrafter or sometimes in a motorcycle jacket. Put it on together, clip controller holster to a belt or pocket. Final gear step is usually plugging in and donning gloves. Then, before mounting the bike, plug in a single coax connection from controller at my left hip to coax socket dangling left of the seat.
 
davidji said:
I've read it has an EN17092 AA rating, which regardless of what it's made of, means it's pretty safe for textile gear, by an objective standard. I think a good leather would get a AAA rating.
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Here's what I could find on EN 17092:

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesoci...rcycle-clothing-the-ce-approval-law-explained
http://www.bull-it.com/ce

Based on my reading, the AA rating for abrasion resistance looks pretty uninspiring! Essentially, the knees/elbows/shoulder/butt need to survive for 2 seconds in a 43mph (70kmh) crash, the back has to survive for 1 second in a 28mph (45kph) crash, and the front of the suit has to survive for a half-second in a 15mph (25kph) crash.

I wouldn't be surprised if a Roadcrafter would give you AAA abrasion resistance and leather would be significantly better than AAA.
 
fubar929 said:
Here's what I could find on EN 17092:

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesoci...rcycle-clothing-the-ce-approval-law-explained
http://www.bull-it.com/ce

Based on my reading, the AA rating for abrasion resistance looks pretty uninspiring! Essentially, the knees/elbows/shoulder/butt need to survive for 2 seconds in a 43mph (70kmh) crash, the back has to survive for 1 second in a 28mph (45kph) crash, and the front of the suit has to survive for a half-second in a 15mph (25kph) crash.

I wouldn't be surprised if a Roadcrafter would give you AAA abrasion resistance and leather would be significantly better than AAA.
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I'm not sure there are many situations on the street where you could manage to slide for more than a second or so without hitting something. Two seconds at 43mph is 126 feet. The test is two seconds at a sustained 43mph, in a crash you will be slowing down pretty quickly even if you don't hit anything.

Wouldn't be my choice for the track, but sounds reasonable for street riding and lighter fabric is way more comfy. I always figure impact protection is what matters the most on the street, while abrasion is most important on the track.
 
davidji said:
My way is dual controller in a holster, always plugged into jacket liner. Often jacket liner gets left inside my Roadcrafter or sometimes in a motorcycle jacket. Put it on together, clip controller holster to a belt or pocket. Final gear step is usually plugging in and donning gloves. Then, before mounting the bike, plug in a single coax connection from controller at my left hip to coax socket dangling left of the seat.
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Warm and Safe has wireless now.
https://www.warmnsafe.com/collections/remote-control-heat-trollers
 
bpw said:
I'm not sure there are many situations on the street where you could manage to slide for more than a second or so without hitting something. Two seconds at 43mph is 126 feet. The test is two seconds at a sustained 43mph, in a crash you will be slowing down pretty quickly even if you don't hit anything.
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The areas which are subject to the 2-second rule are relatively small. I want a garment that can survive a crash at highway speeds. In a 70mph crash, the Zone 3 fabric only has to survive for a tenth of a second to pass EN 17092-AA! Granted it might last longer, but it seems like AAA-rated gear is a better option for highway riding...
 
Like I've stated before, gear is more then crash protection. Waterproofness, seams and zippers that don't explode, pockets and snaps in the right places, velcro that doesn't wear out after a couple of years, warranty, adjustment tabs and straps, venting, pockets in the right places, etc. It's all a compromise. I suppose if all you ever do is day rides in good weather, most of this doesn't matter.
 
davidji said:
Yeah I have one of their wireless dual controllers, and I used it for a while, but went back to using wired controllers. There are pluses and minuses either way.
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Yeah, I don't get the wireless controller. You still have to plug your gear in, you still have to mount a controller but now you have to manage batteries.
 
Sjbmw has some in stock. Just saw one hanging in their klim section
 
fubar929 said:
The areas which are subject to the 2-second rule are relatively small. I want a garment that can survive a crash at highway speeds. In a 70mph crash, the Zone 3 fabric only has to survive for a tenth of a second to pass EN 17092-AA! Granted it might last longer, but it seems like AAA-rated gear is a better option for highway riding...
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Just trying to visualize how a 70MPH accident happens on a highway, and why you may think that road rash is your primary concern vs impacting, well, anything.

Deer Strike?

Following a vehicle too closely and hitting road debris that they obscured?

I'm just having difficulty imagining any event at 70 MPH that wouldn't have me slowing down first (perhaps the rider was going 100MPH and was slowing, only to hit 70 before the crash).

I'm sure they happen, just not really sure how.
 
Bought the Medium. Instant love :party:party:party

And SJ BMW is always awesome to work with.

First impressions:
1. Lighter than aserostich.
2. Excellent build quality.
3. Surpringly long for a medium. Works great for me. I am 5'10" and 165lbs. So a small gets too short at the legs. This one is perfect.
4. Tried with 2 layers and still comfy.
5. Has a small opening for the heated liner.
6. Getting in and out of suit is the same as aerostich.
7. All armors are fully adjustable using velcros.
8. Not stiff at all. Can see it breaking in nicely within a few weeks.
9. Tighening straps at the waist and they do their job perfectly.

The only gripe I have is there NO tightening strap at the arm. Being skinny with non-athletic shoulders, it felt a little loose. Was ok with a layer underneath. The strap at the forearm is great and keeps the elbow armors in place.

Happy valentine's day to myself :laughing
 

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berth said:
Just trying to visualize how a 70MPH accident happens on a highway, and why you may think that road rash is your primary concern vs impacting, well, anything.
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Seriously? You can't visualize how a crash might happen at highway speeds? Here are four quick ideas; I'm sure there are infinitely many others:

- The car next to you changes lanes without signaling; my buddy Steve can tell you how much fun that is
- You hit unseen debris (glass, nails, etc) and your front tire goes flat almost instantly; I punctured a rear tire a couple of years ago (no idea what I hit) and was lucky to stay upright
- You swerve to avoid a car changing lanes into you, grab a bit of front brake so their rear bumper will (hopefully) miss your front tire, but the swerve takes you over a 3/4" high pavement transition, and causes you to get a tank slapper; this literally happened to me the same day I installed my first steering damper
- You ride through a puddle of what appears to be water only to find that it's oil, loose traction, and fall over; this happened to my buddy Bob in SF but seems like it could also happen on the highway

Any of these things could land you on the ground at freeway speeds. Armor will help you survive the initial impact, but you still need to be able to survive sliding to a stop...
 
Quick update: The suit opens up just like aerostich. Pull both zippers all the way up and then pull out the left side of the suit.
 
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