Arrested for wearing a helmet in Walmart

[Eldritch]

Why do you believe this is the case?

Because of the same shit I keep always saying. Class Justice matters that have not been a race issue in 50 years.

 

[Shaggy]

Because of the same shit I keep always saying. Class Justice matters that have not been a race issue in 50 years.

 

[TylerW]

Because I see it every day I go to work? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, why do you believe that black people are statistically overrepresented in the crime rate?

 

[Heywood]

I have been asked to remove my helmet multiple times when entering businesses.

I have only been asked at a bank- and they were very insistent.

But generally I take it off most places.

Same here, the one time I didn't I was two deep in line at the gulp n' blow across from work grabbing an energy drink and was asked to remove my helmet. Sort of irritated me a bit as I was a frequent flyer there but their store, their rules.

 

[Shaggy]

No, why do you believe that black people are statistically overrepresented in the crime rate?

I’ve addressed this in several other threads. I agree that systemic issues of race have kept African Americans in poverty for generations and it is a difficult cycle to break, which makes African Americans more prone to result to criminal activity. I vehemently disagree that modern policing practices have anything to do with it on the scale that you and others believe.

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

Just listen, bud.

Speaking of using pejoratives when talking to people...while the term "bud" might not be as blatant as "boy" it is still a pejorative.

 

[TylerW]

I’ve addressed this in several other threads. I agree that systemic issues of race have kept African Americans in poverty for generations and it is a difficult cycle to break, which makes African Americans more prone to result to criminal activity. I vehemently disagree that modern policing practices have anything to do with it on the scale that you and others believe.

If the crimes are a product of poverty, it seems awfully irresponsible to attribute criminal behavior to race.

 

[Shaggy]

If the crimes are a product of poverty, it seems awfully irresponsible to attribute criminal behavior to race.

Can you elaborate?

 

[cheez]

Speaking of using pejoratives when talking to people...while the term "bud" might not be as blatant as "boy" it is still a pejorative.

I call everyone “brother” and “bud”. No denigration intended. So yeah, not as blatant, because not at all.

 

[TylerW]

Can you elaborate?

I'm not sure what there is to elaborate upon - a few posts back, you said that while Black people make up 20% of the population of the city you work in, but are responsible for 75% of the crime.

But later you said that the crimes committed by Black people are a product of poverty and income inequality - and that Black people are over represented below the poverty line because of decades of systemic racism.

So crime isn't a Black problem at all - its a product of poverty and income inequality. Indicating the race of criminals instead of their income status seems to be indicating the wrong cause of criminal behavior - especially for folks who don't spend much time introspecting and just want someone they can blame.

 

[bojangle]

The three parties involved should stop pointing fingers at each other this situation. They each played a part in the outcome.

The rider, the manager, and the cop all decided that their 'rights' were more important than the totality of the circumstances. Each one of them were assholes. At any point in this event any one of them could have altered the outcome. Each one failed to do so.

I put a little more responsibility on the cop (due to his professional training and experience), but the manager comes in a close second, the rider third.

The cop and the manager are the face of larger entities and could have painted a better image for law enforcement and Walmart. They poorly represented the employers.

Just because you can walk into a business with a helmet on doesn't mean you should.

Just because you can kick someone out of your store (permanently) doesn't mean you should.

Just because you can condescendingly berate and arrest someone doesn't mean you should.

One of these three people could have taken the high road. They all failed.

Yup.

Visor down is slightly weird, just because it gets hot, but I don't really see anything wrong with wearing helmet indoors. Doesn't automatically make the guy a dbag, in my mind.

Wear a helmet all day long in your own house if it makes you happy. Private commercial establishments aren't usually going to like this, or allow this. They will, rightfully, be concerned that the person is there to steal without being identified, or possibly commit a robbery.

Would you expect to walk into a bank or a casino like that and not have a problem? Then why Walmart?

You may have more first hand perspective than the rest of us; would you say black people are more likely to commit crimes at a higher rate than white people, or would you say they're more likely to get caught for the same number of crimes?

What Nick said. I dont work in an are with a crime problem from black people. I used to work in an area with more black crime problems, but I wouldn't say a lot.

No, why do you believe that black people are statistically overrepresented in the crime rate?

Poverty, often a lack of education and access to decent paying legitimate jobs/careers, often a lack of family structure and positive male role models. I'm sure there's some systemic racism that comes into play. But it's not just more crime. It's specifically more violent crime. I don't exactly have the answer for that one. But the correlation is exactly what leads to police use of force and shooting incidents involving black people...or should I say, overwhelmingly males, not simply people.

I’ve addressed this in several other threads. I agree that systemic issues of race have kept African Americans in poverty for generations and it is a difficult cycle to break, which makes African Americans more prone to result to criminal activity. I vehemently disagree that modern policing practices have anything to do with it on the scale that you and others believe.

And this. ^^^

If the crimes are a product of poverty, it seems awfully irresponsible to attribute criminal behavior to race.

Huh? It's not because of race. That's some eugenics bullshit. It's just a correlation. When we are talking about a false narrative of police killing black males, one must look at the entire picture of overrepresented violent crime among that "community", because the violent crimes that translate to fighting and resisting during police contacts are what causes it.

I'm not sure what there is to elaborate upon - a few posts back, you said that while Black people make up 20% of the population of the city you work in, but are responsible for 75% of the crime.

But later you said that the crimes committed by Black people are a product of poverty and income inequality - and that Black people are over represented below the poverty line because of decades of systemic racism.

So crime isn't a Black problem at all - its a product of poverty and income inequality. Indicating the race of criminals instead of their income status seems to be indicating the wrong cause of criminal behavior - especially for folks who don't spend much time introspecting and just want someone they can blame.

He didn't say 75% of crime. He said 75% of murders, and a large percentage of violent crime. The violence is the issue. It directly translates to police uses of force.

Again, we're not talking about eugenics, or some shit. Of course there are outside influences that have existed for generations and not easily overcome.

 

[Shaggy]

I'm not sure what there is to elaborate upon - a few posts back, you said that while Black people make up 20% of the population of the city you work in, but are responsible for 75% of the crime.

But later you said that the crimes committed by Black people are a product of poverty and income inequality - and that Black people are over represented below the poverty line because of decades of systemic racism.

So crime isn't a Black problem at all - its a product of poverty and income inequality. Indicating the race of criminals instead of their income status seems to be indicating the wrong cause of criminal behavior - especially for folks who don't spend much time introspecting and just want someone they can blame.

First of all.... I said 75% of our murders, not 75% of all crime.

Secondly, the only ones making it a race issue are the BLM supporters. Being black is just a descriptor of the person. Just the same as having brown hair, hazel eyes, or being 6’ tall. It’s got nothing to do with being predisposed to criminality. Don’t be obtuse.

 

[littlebeast]

The three parties involved should stop pointing fingers at each other this situation. They each played a part in the outcome.

The rider, the manager, and the cop all decided that their 'rights' were more important than the totality of the circumstances. Each one of them were assholes. At any point in this event any one of them could have altered the outcome. Each one failed to do so.

I put a little more responsibility on the cop (due to his professional training and experience), but the manager comes in a close second, the rider third.

The cop and the manager are the face of larger entities and could have painted a better image for law enforcement and Walmart. They poorly represented the employers.

Just because you can walk into a business with a helmet on doesn't mean you should.

Just because you can kick someone out of your store (permanently) doesn't mean you should.

Just because you can condescendingly berate and arrest someone doesn't mean you should.

One of these three people could have taken the high road. They all failed.

disagree that the rider decided ‘his ‘rights’ were more important than the totality of the circumstances’. he seemed more oblivious than anything else. having had some personal experience with cops misinterpreting a situation and overreacting (a very mild version of shoot first and ask questions later), i get the feeling.

 

[Abacinator]

I've seen it before. When you first see the helmet it's a little off-putting like "what is this business" and then you see the rest of the attire and you realize "oh I see, it's a bike guy that thinks he's cool....now where is this sale on a twelve pack of semi-translucent edible pink dildos I keep hearing about...".

What aisle can you find the semi-translucent edible pink dildos? Asking for a friend.

 

[UDRider]

What aisle can you find the semi-translucent edible pink dildos? Asking for a friend.

Isle 69.

 

[Melissa]

you can find them in the adult section behind the seasonal stuff. I've seen purple whales too.

 

[Blankpage]

I can’t even sit at a traffic light with my shield down.
But this is Walmart, since when did they have a problem with weird, thats their clientele.

 

[jdhu]

Wear a helmet all day long in your own house if it makes you happy. Private commercial establishments aren't usually going to like this, or allow this. They will, rightfully, be concerned that the person is there to steal without being identified, or possibly commit a robbery.

Would you expect to walk into a bank or a casino like that and not have a problem? Then why Walmart?

Haha...Walmart can of course require customers to remove helmets, wear masks, wear shirts/shoes, etc. As dictator, I'd also allow a business to decide who they bake wedding cakes for, but that's another thread.

My point was just that I didn't think the rider was automatically a douche for keeping his helmet on. If he had refused to remove it after being told to do so, then I think he's a douche (you and I disagree on whether he purposely ignored the manager).

 

[Climber]

He didn't say 75% of crime. He said 75% of murders, and a large percentage of violent crime. The violence is the issue. It directly translates to police uses of force.

Again, we're not talking about eugenics, or some shit. Of course there are outside influences that have existed for generations and not easily overcome.

I've worked with a lot of inner city track athletes, mostly black.

Pecking order is set on different standards than middle class white neighborhoods, it's more about who is to be more feared, for whatever reason, in many instances. Also, access to cash has it's benefits, when there is less cash, those with it are king, and often those are the drug dealers. It's a different world, evolved out of circumstances centering around poverty and not many great career options. There is a higher percent of late teens and early 20 somethings who don't expect to live a long life, living fast and hard is not an unattractive option, especially if you can have the nice cars and chicks. It's a different world that many who have not seen it cannot fully comprehend.

As a track coach, I gave everybody courtesy, but I've had plenty misinterpret that as being afraid of them, something that took awhile to understand, in the inner city courtesy is only shown when somebody thinks the other person is higher in the pecking order.

Also, as a track coach, I had a dad who would only speak to the black coach and never acknowledged me during the season, even though I had developed his son considerably and had gained his son's trust and made a lot of progress with him, he didn't trust a white coach for a long time.

 

[Snapping Twig]

Kafkaesque!

Cops reacting to a situation that did not exist.

Total douche canoes.

I hope the cops get demoted/removed and walmart hemorrhages cash over this.

Unacceptable in the extreme.