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Ban alcohol!

Bars should limit intake as much as you're responsible yourself. I know we are MERICUH and land of the free, but if some server wants to keep bringing someone drinks and they hop in their car.. isn't it kinda the servers fault as much as the person drinking?

My logic probably isn't sound, but obviously people can't be trusted.
 
kevin 714 said:
Alcohol is the greatest evil mankind ever created
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and the first anesthetic, one of the first antiseptics and the reason many people survived plagues from contaminated water. Fortunately, it only becomes a problem when people make the explicit choice to drink it.

Not to mention pretty much powering the genesis of an egalitarian society thanks to drunk Romans. (Not the imported gun toting kind either!)

m_asim said:
$88,000 Americans die because of it.

http://www.latimes.com/science/scie...related-deaths-lost-years-20140626-story.html

I don't partake in it, but I recommend you keep this statistic handy, next time you run across an idiot talking about how bad MJ is for the society.
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Just because one thing is worse and "legal" does not justify making another "not so bad" legal. Tobacco's pretty bad too. But if we banned them all, a "surprising" number of pro-dope people would also be screaming bloody murder.

that being said, Legalize, but also legalize personal responsibility. I don't care if it's dope, booze, caffeine whatever - you harm somebody, there is NO mitigating factor for the influence. Plan a murder or stab someone while drunk, too bad. Drive and get in a wreck and it matters not what's in your bloodstream or not. Leave a kid or animal in a hot car, same thing.

but the "there are greater evils" is the worst and most intellectually bankrupt defense of anything I can think of at the moment.
 
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im going to partake in something called Thirsty Thursday at the Riverdogs game tonight :Port $1 drafts:teeth Wife is driving:thumbup
 
i dont care one bit if someone drinks themselves to death or destroys their liver. however, i do care a lot if they risk other's lives such a drinking and driving. that article doesnt list the numbers of deaths that bother me.

MikeL said:
Bars should limit intake as much as you're responsible yourself. I know we are MERICUH and land of the free, but if some server wants to keep bringing someone drinks and they hop in their car.. isn't it kinda the servers fault as much as the person drinking?

My logic probably isn't sound, but obviously people can't be trusted.
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one of my best friends manages a restaurant/bar here in San Diego. she keeps the restaurant pretty straight when it comes to serving, cuts ppl off, calls them cabs, etc to limit as much of their liability as possible. might be a CA thing or just a SD County thing.
 
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when you get your bartending license you are supposed to be responsible for cutting people off. i don't hear mention in news articles ever in relation to the bar the drunken asshole that killed someone was dousing his sorrows in...you can blame the drunk all you want but, he is never the only one responsible...

unless he's been at home and went for a beer run:teeth but that's not really funny:|
 
MikeL said:
Bars should limit intake as much as you're responsible yourself. I know we are MERICUH and land of the free, but if some server wants to keep bringing someone drinks and they hop in their car.. isn't it kinda the servers fault as much as the person drinking?

My logic probably isn't sound, but obviously people can't be trusted.
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Would it be the server's fault if a person arrives and departs an establishment by cab, heads home, and then gets in their car and drives? Where exactly does that responsibiltiy lie?

Servers are obligated to cut someone off, but acting in a capacity that borders on the realm of "law enforcement" is asking a bit much from someone making minimum wage, and more than likely not receiving a tip from someone they just cut off.

Loki1000R said:
when you get your bartending license you are supposed to be responsible for cutting people off. i don't hear mention in news articles ever in relation to the bar the drunken asshole that killed someone was dousing his sorrows in...you can blame the drunk all you want but, he is never the only one responsible...
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Unless the bartender helps the guy into his car, starts it for him, and points him down the road, I'm going to mostly disagree with you.
 
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Johndicezx9 said:
Would it be the server's fault if a person arrives and departs an establishment by cab, heads home, and then gets in their car and drives? Where exactly does that responsibiltiy lie?

Servers are obligated to cut someone off, but acting in a capacity that borders on the realm of "law enforcement" is asking a bit much from someone making minimum wage, and more than likely not receiving a tip from someone they just cut off.
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I totally get that, I'm just saying you can't just keep delivering a person drinks, watch them hop in their car and say "Whelp, not my problem." You enabled it. If they were getting that fucked up that they are danger to society, we obviously need to rethink how we handle serving lots of alcohol.

Hey, I'm responsible, but I guess most people are not?
 
MikeL said:
I totally get that, I'm just saying you can't just keep delivering a person drinks, watch them hop in their car and say "Whelp, not my problem." You enabled it. If they were getting that fucked up that they are danger to society, we obviously need to rethink how we handle serving lots of alcohol.

Hey, I'm responsible, but I guess most people are not?
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They just have to see the person actually getting in the car and driving away, which is often not the case. If they do see it, a really fucked up person getting in their car, most of the people I know in the business would call. They're parents, they're concerned, they're involved, especially if they're driving home at 2 in the morning after their shift is over when most of these people might be on the road. Everyone wants to get home safe, don't you think?

Most DUI's in California are probably in the BAC range of .08 to .16, some people are able to function fairly well, except they shouldn't be driving, are we really expecting the server to interrogate every customer and make a judgement? If the fines and jail time, and everything else goes with a DUI isn't a deterrent, what going to make that person listen to the server?

Just seems to be asking a lot from people with the bare minimum of alcohol education and that don't carry a badge.
 
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