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Bay Bridge cable snaps

Human Ills said:
I, for one, appreciate a heightened aesthetic sense. What's wrong with building a world class structure?
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+1

Thank God Oakland isn't getting stuck with that ghetto looking, lameass "skyway" they tried to stick us with. That was horrible.

When you go up on Grizzly and look out, what you are seeing is one of the most beautiful views in the world. Why muck it up with some ugly shit just to save a few ducats? We have to live with this thing for many years to come. Civic pride and all that.

:thumbup
 
Human Ills said:
Try forever. Our government is not going to do what is needed to bring manufacturing back to America, namely tariffs. We allow multi-national corporations to set up shop in nations with no environmental and/or safety standards and 'pass the savings to the American consumer'

We cut our own throat.
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Race to the bottom. It just occurred to me that a hundred years of safety and environmental standards improvements hardly matters if you disassemble all the industry and send it somewhere without the standards.
 
Human Ills said:
Given the choice, I'll choose the delay/cost for something that is a landmark every time.

How much money has the likeness of the Golden Gate Bridge generated over its life?
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Anyone got a picture of what the Bay Bridge is supposed to look at when it's done and what the alternatives were?

Certainly isn't anything real pretty now.
 
Aluisious said:
Race to the bottom. It just occurred to me that a hundred years of safety and environmental standards improvements hardly matters if you disassemble all the industry and send it somewhere without the standards.
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Welcome to the party.

It's time to push for a global government. Nationalism has failed the common man. And we need to do so now while we still have some influence.
 
Aluisious said:
Anyone got a picture of what the Bay Bridge is supposed to look at when it's done and what the alternatives were?

Certainly isn't anything real pretty now.
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http://baybridgeinfo.org

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Here's another view of that French bridge:

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I'll say it again -- what the hell has happened to California? Once upon a time the world looked to us for inspiration, etc...
 
vato_loco said:
Here's another view of that French bridge:

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I spent the night in Millau in a room with a view of that bridge. It's truly spectacular.

And the fact that they proposed, planned, financed, and built the entire thing in considerably less time than the east span of the BB has taken so far, and for about 1/10 the cost, should really put us to shame.
 
vaara said:
I spent the night in Millau in a room with a view of that bridge. It's truly spectacular.

And the fact that they proposed, planned, financed, and built the entire thing in considerably less time than the east span of the BB has taken so far, and for about 1/10 the cost, should really put us to shame.
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And their workers have 36 hour work weeks, 5 weeks paid vacation a year and universal health care.:party

Is that a bridge over land? That would make the job much easier. And that design is simply elegant. Very simple.
 
Latest from CalTrans. May be a while before opening up the bridge to traffic if they wait on the metal fatigue analysis.

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OMG Would the same people that engineered the bandaid that failed be the people that do the analyizing? On the metal fatigue? And CalTrans saying "a while" ?

Somehow all I read is... The bay Area is screwed. California picking up the tab, California is screwed.
 
Human Ills said:
Try forever. Our government is not going to do what is needed to bring manufacturing back to America, namely tariffs. We allow multi-national corporations to set up shop in nations with no environmental and/or safety standards and 'pass the savings to the American consumer'

We cut our own throat.
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Yes We cut our own throat.

Heavens forbid that companies didn't have any incentive to invest in technology to compete in the world market.

Heavens forbid, That companies that send the work out of the USA get taxed on that, to keep the playing field level.

Our best engineers go where the money is, government funded defense (can't blame the Engineers for that). The manufacturing of products and small business that have to compete in the world market, get squat.

The "We" is such a wide We, there is no place to put the blame, so no blame is made. No fix is made.

A fix is possible, but....it would require a government that had a backbone, so...that shifts it to No Way, aint gonna happen.

I wasn't born with a shitty out look, it came from looking.
 
louemc said:
OMG Would the same people that engineered the bandaid that failed be the people that do the analyizing? On the metal fatigue? And CalTrans saying "a while" ?

Somehow all I read is... The bay Area is screwed. California picking up the tab, California is screwed.
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There's a tiny ray of hope ... Last time they took 3 days to figure out how to fix it. Now, they're taking a bit more time. 50/50 that they'll get it right this time.
 
Human Ills said:
We took art out of the public schools.
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Good. I hated being graded on something purely subjective by some pretentious jerk who couldn't do anything useful and obviously wasn't a successful commercial artist himself.
 
Human Ills said:
And their workers have 36 hour work weeks, 5 weeks paid vacation a year and universal health care.:party

Is that a bridge over land? That would make the job much easier. And that design is simply elegant. Very simple.
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Yeah it's over land but nothing that tall is easy. Hell, probably easier to ship in bridge sections by boat to your piers anyway. How the hell do you get road sections up there?
 
Human Ills said:
Is that a bridge over land? That would make the job much easier. And that design is simply elegant. Very simple.
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It's mostly over land, though it does also cross a narrow river. I believe one of the piers is either right beside, or actually in the river.

I saw a Discovery channel documentary about how they built it. If I remember correctly, they pre-built the bridge sections and then slid them along a track (or the existing road) to where they needed to go, and then lowered them into place.
 
Razel said:
Latest from CalTrans. May be a while before opening up the bridge to traffic if they wait on the metal fatigue analysis.

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Metallurgists will take samples and conduct further analysis to determine the cause of the metal fatigue. This may take a couple of weeks.
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maybe instead of engineering a stronger band aid they could have just replace the broken piece:wtf
 
Aluisious said:
Yeah it's over land but nothing that tall is easy. Hell, probably easier to ship in bridge sections by boat to your piers anyway. How the hell do you get road sections up there?
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I don't know, but it sure would have been cool to be a part of it.
My reason for stating that it is easier to build something over land than water has to do with the necessary pilings when you build something on water. That takes time.
 
2nsane said:
maybe instead of engineering a stronger band aid they could have just replace the broken piece:wtf
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Yeah, one quick trip to Home Depot for a Bay Bridge section and this would all be over with.
 
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