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Best handling street bike?

theres a bunch of ppl starting to race the FZ-07 in CA now. they are getting kitted out with R6 forks w/ carts, nice shocks, slipper clutches, and other go fast parts. a racer buddy raced one back to back with his R6 a little while ago. he said it still didnt feel like a Supersport. sounds like u cant polish a turd :laughing

u prob cant get an FZ-09 to feel like an R1 in the same way u cant get an R1 to feel like an M1.
 
u prob cant get an FZ-09 to feel like an R1 in the same way u cant get an R1 to feel like an M1.

Hence my switch to R1:(

You'd have to get new triples with offsets and machine a new swingarm that is stiffer with bracing but you still have a shitty swingarm pivot location which makes the chassis too flexible / unstable in highspeed turns. Essentially mirroring the geometry of the R1. At that point...what's the point? You just DIY'd your own R1.
 
I don't think measuring the force required to tip it in is a worthwhile datapoint. Some people don't WANT a really flickable bike, as most of them have shit for stability. Define stability too.
 
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Best-handling bike.... where exactly? My DRZ-SM handles awesome at lower speeds in the city, but sucks at higher speeds, where it can be very unstable and a bit scary. My Multi handles great at higher speeds, but compared to the DRZ it's a pig in the city. There is no general "best handling bike".

And on top of dependence on conditions, different riders have different preferences. It's kind of like asking "what is the best ice cream flavor?"
 
Best-handling bike.... where exactly? My DRZ-SM handles awesome at lower speeds in the city, but sucks at higher speeds, where it can be very unstable and a bit scary. My Multi handles great at higher speeds, but compared to the DRZ it's a pig in the city. There is no general "best handling bike".

And on top of dependence on conditions, different riders have different preferences. It's kind of like asking "what is the best ice cream flavor?"

Suzuki Savage handles better in every situation.
 
Like many have already said: the best handling bike is a preference.
It's been my experience that I constantly (the Other in reality does this) screw around with things on my bikes. I'm 5'2" my arms are appropriate to my height so a big bike isn't a great handling bike for me no matter what I do.

This is a reasonably comprehensive article regarding rake and trail, how to change it and what to expect when you do.

I own one of the most neutral handling bikes manufactured. For almost two years I've been in agreement with the media about my bike.It's predictable, fine in sweepers and requires some effort on the tighter stuff. We pulled the forks up 1.25 inches thinking we'd gradually push them back down. No freaking way I finally am having a ball on this bland bike.
 
I've heard from the rich guys the latest & greatest has switched from high-end Ducs & 'prillers, to the new Kwaker H2 & H2R.

Something about a stocker that does 207mph or thereabouts, & corners better than most owners can ride them...:teeth
 
Personal style affects handling? Shouldn’t it be the other way around – adjust your riding technique to take advantage of handling? It’s just like in relationships - figuring out what makes each bike tick is a big part of the fun.

If you own a bike, learn to ride it in a way that will make it handle well. If you're buying a bike, buy the bike that best meets your riding style.

A person who rides a sport bike with their chest up and their arms locked at the elbows is neither riding his bike properly, nor riding the proper bike.

I like to use an upright straight body position on my street bikes, and a low hanging position on my sport bikes. I buy standard ergonomics for the street and sport ergonomics for the track. If I rode a sport bike on the street with my riding style, the handling would be shit. The reverse is also true.

What kind of roads and conditions? Yes we can thin slice this topic and have best handling bike in each sub-category, but I’m thinking all-arounders. It should not be excellent on smooth roads and awful on rough roads, or vice versa. It should be very good (although may not be the best) on all roads and conditions. That’s the philosophy behind Ducati’s Multistrada – good for all roads! To me the BMW GS boxers are top contenders among the best handling street bikes.

If you ride a mix of street and dirt, a strada or GS will be the best handling bike. If you only ride your bike on the track, the 'strada and the GS will not be the best handling bike.

If you stick to super technical back-roads, a 'tard is probably going to be the best handling bike. If you spend most of your time on Skaggs springs raceway dragging knee, the Motard is going to be a crap handling bike.

Usually, it's best to buy the bike that's a good fit to the kind of riding you prefer to do. If 90% of your riding is on the dirt and 10% is on the road, a dual sport is the best handling choice. It's worth it to suffer with crap road handling because it excells so well in the dirt. Buying a 'strada or a GS would leave you sacrificing a lot of handling for that street improvement.

always curious about the part of the handling equation that's NOT suspension related - things like center or gravity, mass centralization, polar moment of inertia, frame/swing arm geometry and stiffness, etc. I’d like to think premium bikes have premium "bone structure”, to take maximum advantage of premium suspension components. Another way of thinking of this – how much of handling comes from good “bone structure”, and how much does good suspension masks not-so-great “bone structure”?

Many thinks the FZ-09 is only a set of good suspension away from being great. Is slapping on a set of premium suspension always a sure-bet fix on handling?

Frame geometry and ergonomics play a huge role in handling. The right tires and suspension are important, but are not the only factors. A Ninja 250 will never handle like a RC390. The geometry, frame design, and ergonomics are not right, and while they can be improved, it wouldn't be practical to fix them.

This is where subjective reviews are so important; they can capture how well the bike works as a whole, rather than as individual pieces. Often, the whole package is far more important than any individual component.

My only issue with bike reviews is that they usually review the bike as delivered. I'd be just as interested in reviews of bikes that have been appropriately modified. E.g. a review on an improperly sprung bike is not really valid to me. Sure lots of people ride their bikes that way, but there really is no excuse for ignoring a $200 fix on a $15000 bike.
 
Zx10, scottz, bars, :afm199

:thumbup Plus Racetec suspension internals for rough roads, and Decades of mountain dirt trail riding, and Desert Racing, to "polish" the rider.

Better toss in a few decades of splitting lanes in the Bay Area, to insure the rider is proven to stay focused on speed delta and cager moves....

Man there is a lot of stuff....:laughing
 
Rotary dampers with input sensitive valving was the re-invented wheel. I guess you don't do much low speed handling on the track however. :thumbup

The rotary Scotts/Ohlins damper is the finest...:thumbup

Those other cylinder shaped guys all come up short, as in too little/ too late. :afm199
 
I've heard from the rich guys the latest & greatest has switched from high-end Ducs & 'prillers, to the new Kwaker H2 & H2R.

Something about a stocker that does 207mph or thereabouts, & corners better than most owners can ride them...:teeth

Has me wondering...What kind of corner does one go around at 207mph? :teeth
 
My nsr250 MC28. You don't turn it you just think it.

Back in the day a good running RD400 with pipes and rearsets came pretty close to perfection. A TZ250 is pretty good also and yes I knew a couple of guys that rode them on the street!
 
No such thing as best.

Best for what?

My GSXR750 is super stable at high speed turns like T1 Laguna. It's not super fast turning.

My SV650 is dead easy to mover around at any speed from anywhere on the track, it's so maneuverable. I don't want to think about what it would be like at 140 mph at T1, Laguna, but I don't think it would be fun.
 
My nsr250 MC28. You don't turn it you just think it.

You'd love the superior MC21. No "we just did it for marketing" too-flexible single-sided swingarm. No giant hole in the headstock.

MC21>MC28, all day. :teeth
 
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