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Everything is more volatile than something else and I'd guess you were cautious because of experience, not luck.
 
i bought btc, eth, and ltc 12/11/17

i bought more btc, eth, and ltc 12/12/17

didn't show on my bank until 12/20/17

however, coinbase still showing the transactions as pending

so the money left my account, but i can't sell my positions, as i see the prices headed back to where i got in and going below

so far i've made more money just using my compooter's idle resources to mine eth and xmr - a whopping $15 or so in 10 days
 
Yes I’m still unable to sell to my bank on coinbase. Keeps asking for further verification after I’ve already verified. Lots of people having this issue.

That said I’ve already moved my coins off their app and into Binance. And disconnected my bank from coinbase. I don’t trust them.

Sold half my LTC and bought XVG.

Just out of curiosity, was this an experiment that you wanted to run to see how easily you can move currency or did you think that you could profit as much and as easily as everyone said was possible?
 
Maybe this is semantics..? Just as worthless is the same as just as valuable and number one is no difference between gold and bitcoin. My opinion is they both hold no 'real' value beyond perceived value. Call them valuable or call them worthless, doesn't matter to me, but they're the same in shiny principle.

I was 100% with you up until this part. Yes gold was nothing more than perceived shiny awesomeness for valuation back in the early times. Then came the value for dental uses (now supplanted by porcelain). For a long time that gave it actual value because of its hardness, malleability, and lack of corrosion. You miss the biggie *actual* value of gold in modern era and that is electronics. It is an excellent low resistance conductor that doesn't tarnish and that market will perpetually feed the valuation of this metal for a long time.

While everybody and their brother is mining for crypto, keep in mind there is a huge business dumpster diving for reclaimed gold from old electronics. You don't keep that value status by just being a shiny object.
 
I was 100% with you up until this part. Yes gold was nothing more than perceived shiny awesomeness for valuation back in the early times. Then came the value for dental uses (now supplanted by porcelain). For a long time that gave it actual value because of its hardness, malleability, and lack of corrosion. You miss the biggie *actual* value of gold in modern era and that is electronics. It is an excellent low resistance conductor that doesn't tarnish and that market will perpetually feed the valuation of this metal for a long time.

While everybody and their brother is mining for crypto, keep in mind there is a huge business dumpster diving for reclaimed gold from old electronics. You don't keep that value status by just being a shiny object.

This I agree with.

Back when the early quick photo processing stores started opening, ( anyone remember FROMEX?) back in the eighties, they processed enough black and white ( silver based ) that we installed silver collectors in every one of them. They puked out a fair amount.
 
Just out of curiosity, was this an experiment that you wanted to run to see how easily you can move currency or did you think that you could profit as much and as easily as everyone said was possible?

What exactly are you referring to? I’ve already made easy profits.
 
What exactly are you referring to? I’ve already made easy profits.

What prompted you to start this endeavor in cryptocurrency in the first place. Experimentation or a strong belief that you were going to profit easily.
 
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What prompted you to start this endeavor in cryptocurrency in the first place. Experimentation or a strong belief that you were going to profit easily.

Listening to my coworkers talk about it all day everyday. Had no expectations. It's been fun to learn about, as I've never traded or invested before. My investments thus far are up thousands. But of course it's worth nothing until i get it back into cash.
 
Listening to my coworkers talk about it all day everyday. Had no expectations. It's been fun to learn about, as I've never traded or invested before. My investments thus far are up thousands. But of course it's worth nothing until i get it back into cash.

Thanks for sharing on the forum your experience with getting started. I appreciate it and i am sure many lurkers do as well.
 
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I was 100% with you up until this part. Yes gold was nothing more than perceived shiny awesomeness for valuation back in the early times. Then came the value for dental uses (now supplanted by porcelain). For a long time that gave it actual value because of its hardness, malleability, and lack of corrosion. You miss the biggie *actual* value of gold in modern era and that is electronics. It is an excellent low resistance conductor that doesn't tarnish and that market will perpetually feed the valuation of this metal for a long time.

While everybody and their brother is mining for crypto, keep in mind there is a huge business dumpster diving for reclaimed gold from old electronics. You don't keep that value status by just being a shiny object.

But, I brought up dentistry and acknowledged platings. Didn't miss it at all. Blockchain tech isn't worthless either. Gold isn't used as much in dentistry today and gold as a plating functions because it transmits well for the price. It isn't the best, it just hits that commercial manufacturing price point. Also, turns out...not so rare. Gold is mostly hype and so is crypto. It's okay though, buy/sell/trade gold and crypto all you want, but don't ignore the shiny and low-importance function parallels. Just about anything with value like gold/cash/crypto is largely based on perception. Guns/ammo/tools/vehicles/food/water/shelter/medicine, those are things with value that transcend social conditioning.
 
I was 100% with you up until this part. Yes gold was nothing more than perceived shiny awesomeness for valuation back in the early times. Then came the value for dental uses (now supplanted by porcelain). For a long time that gave it actual value because of its hardness, malleability, and lack of corrosion. You miss the biggie *actual* value of gold in modern era and that is electronics. It is an excellent low resistance conductor that doesn't tarnish and that market will perpetually feed the valuation of this metal for a long time.

While everybody and their brother is mining for crypto, keep in mind there is a huge business dumpster diving for reclaimed gold from old electronics. You don't keep that value status by just being a shiny object.

Buy my gold! :teeth

https://www.ebay.com/itm/302568882374?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

These are lower in gold content than I usually sell but it's nine lbs! I've not made tons of $$$ but I have been able to have turned gold into crypto currency (paypal LOL).
 
XRP at $1.12 right now :laughing :crying

Soon as it hit $0.70 I said too high to get in :(

No way unless there's a collapse does it get below $0.50 again. Wonder why XRP is the new favorite. Partly because it's cheap I assume. It will drop, I don't see it as a hold. Too many buyers getting in to make quick cash.
 
GBTC down another $400 today

Did one more profitable trade, but this time it took forever to execute, which means that may end my trading in this ETF.

GBTC now down $570. -25% extreme volatility
 
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GBTC down another $400 today

Did one more profitable trade, but this time it took forever to execute, which means that may end my trading in this ETF.

GBTC now down $570. -25% extreme volatility
How transparent is the system?

Is anybody 100% sure that these ups and downs aren't pre-programmed with a small select group of people knowing beforehand when the highs and lows are coming?

Seems like this would be a great and cunning way to create a perpetual money machine.....
 
How transparent is the system?

Is anybody 100% sure that these ups and downs aren't pre-programmed with a small select group of people knowing beforehand when the highs and lows are coming?

Seems like this would be a great and cunning way to create a perpetual money machine.....

Hell no. It's manipulated, but it's manipulated at the market maker level in small ways. As to the preprogramming, if the market worked that way, it wouldn't be a market. You need buyers and sellers.

If you watch the trade ticker it's mostly 1-3 shares of GBTC with some trades of 25-100. 100 would cost $180k, not a sum that trading houses would be doing much.

The trading is manipulated by market makers delaying small orders to their convenience, and by algo players looking for arbitrage opportunities. The market makers come out ahead, lol. The algo guys get caught by popular movement just like everyone else.
 
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Tom Lee says, "if you build a very simple model valuing bitcoin as the square function number of users times the average transaction value. 94% of the bitcoin moves over the past four years is explained by that equation."
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