BS Parking Ticket.

[boney]

Yep. I fight SFMTA tics on two principles.

All-in for BS tickets.

BLAH BLAH BLAH


Any one of these overpaid city employees can pick up a broom if they wish.

What do you do and how much do you earn?

The city isn't suddenly trying to balance the budget on parking tickets. SF has pretty much been enforcement-crazy for as long as I can remember. Chances are OP's car looked like it hadn't moved, and since none of us know what method was used to calculate the amount of time it was parked, we cannot make educated statements about it.

If OP did indeed move his/her car, then the ticket is wrong. If not, then it's right. At least OP has receipts to show that (s)he had been elsewhere during the time in question.

Fighting a ticket because you don't like what people are being paid is like tilting a joust at windmills. There are far more constructive and productive ways to make your point. Besides, if a car was parked in a motorcycle spot you'd be complaining that the DPT wasn't there fast enough and didn't give the car a ticket. You can't have you cake and eat it too. Imagine for a second how parking in SF would be if they didn't enforce the laws.

 

[sn0rky]

update for you all.
"The San Francisco Transporation Code 1002 (formerly TC64) states "any vehicle moved a distance of not more than one block during the limited period shall be deemed to have remained stationary." If you leave a restricted area and later return to it, you are advised to park in a different block to avoid being cited for overtime parking"

Keyword there being advised.
Lost the fight, i went ahead and mailed another for "mail hearing"

 

[MysterYvil]

My parked car was rammed, and pushed onto the sidewalk and partially into a red zone.

Photos of the bumper and wheel-cover damage, and copies of the (self-filed, of course) police report, were not sufficient to deter SF DPT.

 

[VLOW1210]

BTW you can't just drive around the block and park back in the same spot again, you have to move it at least 1/10th of a mile away from the original spot. In other words, park it at least a block away.

 

[sn0rky]

update.
i lost the initial review and I appealed it. The appeal board said they will excuse this and refunded my fine, but said next time to park on a different block.

 

[AbsolutEnduser]

Wow. awesome. you found nice people..

 

[Espumoso]

BLAH BLAH BLAH . . .
. . .The city isn't suddenly trying to balance the budget on parking tickets.

Jan 3, 2011
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/cityinsider/detail?entry_id=80231&tsp=1

Drivers in San Francisco beware: the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, which runs the city's transit and parking operations, is looking to increase issuing the number of parking citations issued, officials announced Monday.

The reason? To help close a projected $21 million deficit in the $775 million operating budget for the current fiscal year that ends June 30.
​

 

[RcrBoy]

Jan 3, 2011


The reason? To help close a projected $21 million deficit in the $775 million operating budget for the current fiscal year that ends June 30.
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They can fix that by getting rid of some of these folks>>>

$325,452 NATHANIEL FORD GENERAL MANAGER, MUNICIPAL RAILWAY Municipal Transportation Agency
$216,614 STUART SUNSHINE DEPUTY GEN MGR, EQUIPMENT MAINT MUNI RWY Municipal Transportation Agency
$199,209 CARTER ROHAN Deputy Dir II, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$197,753 SONALI BOSE Deputy Dir II, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$173,799 KENNETH JEW PRINCIPAL ENGINEER Municipal Transportation Agency
$173,000 JOHN FUNGHI Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$171,143 CHUN-MING WEN Sr Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$169,368 JAMES ALBERT IS MANAGER Municipal Transportation Agency
$168,843 VICKI RAMBO Deputy Dir II, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$168,609 WILLIAM NEILSON II PRINCIPAL ENGINEER Municipal Transportation Agency
$160,925 ASHISH PATEL Manager VIII, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$159,981 DIANA BUCHBINDER Deputy Dir II, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$158,069 NABIL TARAZI PRINCIPAL ENGINEER Municipal Transportation Agency
$157,618 GREGG WILCOX 9183 (title unavailable) Municipal Transportation Agency
$156,841 KERSTIN MAGARY Manager VIII, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$155,891 CLIFTON WONG Sr Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$154,078 DEBRA JOHNSON Deputy Dir II, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$153,086 JUN CHEN Manager VIII, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$149,450 JANELLE KESSLER ENGINEER-PRINCIPAL Municipal Transportation Agency
$145,723 SHAHNAM FARHANGI PRINCIPAL ENGINEER Municipal Transportation Agency
$145,251 JOHN FONG Sr Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$144,748 ELENA CHIONG Manager VIII, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$144,249 ANDREW HOWARD IV Manager VII, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$141,972 DIANA HAMMONS Manager VII, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$141,724 VIRGINIA HARMON Manager VII, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$141,083 RUMI UENO Manager VI, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$140,706 ANDRE BOURSSE Manager VI, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$140,261 FARIBA MAHMOUDI Sr Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$140,149 ROBERTA BOOMER Board Scty, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$139,002 ARTHUR WONG Sr Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$138,082 ELIEZER VALLE Manager III, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$137,842 RONALD BELL ENGINEER-PRINCIPAL Municipal Transportation Agency
$133,982 JEN-YIE CHEN ADMINISTRATIVE ENGINEER Municipal Transportation Agency
$133,720 PETER ALBERT 9183 (title unavailable) Municipal Transportation Agency
$133,566 JANE WANG Sr Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$133,447 KATHERINE BREEN Manager V, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$133,139 MABEL SHA Manager VI, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$131,531 JEFFERY GARY Manager V, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$130,542 MONIQUE WEBSTER Manager VI, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$129,906 RAUL ROBERTO ENGINEER-PRINCIPAL Municipal Transportation Agency
$129,888 HUGH VASSAR Sr Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$128,965 J FAITH VAN PUTTEN Manager I, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$128,936 PETER STRAUS DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, MUNI RAILWAY Municipal Transportation Agency
$128,592 ROGER NGUYEN Sr Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$128,552 MICHAEL CASEY Manager V, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$128,390 HENRY KIM Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$128,390 ANTHONY BRYANT Asst Engr Municipal Transportation Agency
$128,063 MARK RUDNICKI Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$127,548 THEODORE UNAEGBU Manager IV, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$127,488 ALBERT HOE Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$126,863 LEONARD TOM Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$126,735 KYLIE GRENIER ENGINEER-PRINCIPAL Municipal Transportation Agency
$126,632 FRANK LAU Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$126,605 CHRISTOPHER NOCON Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$126,550 FOO ENG Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$126,215 CHEONG YUEN Sr Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$124,884 JAMES LEVINE ENGINEER-PRINCIPAL Municipal Transportation Agency
$124,608 DENNIS HERRERA Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$124,352 QINGWEN XI Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$124,330 MARGARET LYNCH Manager IV, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$123,887 FRANK LEUNG Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$123,652 BRENDA WALKER Manager VII, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$123,442 PETER GABANCHO Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$122,969 TONY QUAN Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$121,695 STEVEN BELL Manager V, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$121,642 DEBORAH DENISON PROJECT DIRECTOR Municipal Transportation Agency
$121,546 CHRISTINE RUIZ Manager IV, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$120,362 ALICE KWONG Manager V, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$119,238 KAREN LUI SENIOR FARE COLLECTIONS RECEIVER Municipal Transportation Agency
$118,722 PATRICIA DEVLIEG Manager IV, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$118,517 BAQIR HUSSAIN ENGINEER-SENIOR Municipal Transportation Agency
$117,982 SUSANNE LOW CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR Municipal Transportation Agency
$117,393 TEE PHANG Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$116,936 REGINA THARAYIL PRINCIPAL PERSONNEL ANALYST Municipal Transportation Agency
$116,851 YINGMING GU Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$115,951 MICHAEL CHAN BUS ANALYST-PRINCIPAL Municipal Transportation Agency
$115,585 PAUL BIGNARDI TRANSIT PLANNER IV Municipal Transportation Agency
$115,334 PANETTA SCOTT CONTRACT COMPLIANCE OFFICER II Municipal Transportation Agency
$115,334 PANSY WALLER CONTRACT COMPLIANCE OFFICER II Municipal Transportation Agency
$115,334 SHEILA EVANS-PEGUESE CONTRACT COMPLIANCE OFFICER II Municipal Transportation Agency
$114,942 CHARLES LEWIS BUS ANALYST-PRINCIPAL Municipal Transportation Agency
$114,490 ROBERT HERTAN Manager VI, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$114,112 MARY DONOVAN Manager IV, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$112,022 RICHARD FAY BUSINESS ANALYST-SENIOR Municipal Transportation Agency
$111,771 JAMES NELSON TRANSIT PLANNER IV Municipal Transportation Agency
$111,771 RONALD NIEWIAROWSKI TRANSIT PLANNER IV Municipal Transportation Agency
$111,771 CARL NATVIG TRANSIT PLANNER IV Municipal Transportation Agency
$111,678 JOHN KATZ TRANSIT PLANNER IV Municipal Transportation Agency
$111,658 DANIEL PULON TRANSIT PLANNER IV Municipal Transportation Agency
$110,520 MARGURITE FULLER Manager IV, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$110,015 JOHN BRANDENBURG CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR Municipal Transportation Agency
$109,865 DANIEL ROSEN TRANSIT MANAGER II Municipal Transportation Agency
$109,780 ELOIDA LEONARDO Manager III, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$109,694 DERRICK CHAN Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$109,095 ROSS MAXWELL TRANSIT PLANNER III Municipal Transportation Agency
$108,754 ROMANDO LUCCHESI CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR Municipal Transportation Agency
$108,671 THOMAS BOWER Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$108,584 HA NGUYEN Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$107,717 MAJID AYYOUB Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$107,302 DARTON ITO Manager V, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$106,299 LEWIS TOWER AMES SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST Municipal Transportation Agency
$105,678 MARIA WILLIAMS TRANSIT MANAGER II Municipal Transportation Agency
$105,356 PAT MILLER ENGINEER-PRINCIPAL Municipal Transportation Agency
$105,319 LANG HUEY Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$105,153 WILLIAM SMITH Manager II, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$105,003 JOSEPH HO Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$104,840 BOSE ONYEMEM PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST Municipal Transportation Agency
$104,840 LEDA YOUNG PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST Municipal Transportation Agency
$104,840 GAIL STEIN PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST Municipal Transportation Agency
$104,840 MARIO GALLARDO PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST Municipal Transportation Agency
$104,840 JEROME LEVINE PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST Municipal Transportation Agency
$104,840 ELIAS GIRMA PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST Municipal Transportation Agency
$104,789 LINDA GILL Manager II, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$104,786 JOHNNY NG CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR Municipal Transportation Agency
$104,570 ERNESTO EVANGELISTA Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$103,739 VICTOR ANCHETA Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$103,739 ALBERT FANG Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$103,739 SANFORD PONG Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$103,738 EDWARD TOM Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$103,738 FREDDIE WONG Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$103,509 PRESTER WILSON Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$103,487 TERRANCE FAHEY Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$103,106 JOSEPH SPEAKS III Manager II, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$102,757 CAROLYN LEW SENIOR SYSTEMS ACCOUNTANT Municipal Transportation Agency
$102,488 HUBERT WONG Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$102,289 FERNANDO URBANO PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ANALYST Municipal Transportation Agency
$101,411 JUDSON TRUE Manager II, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$100,991 PAUL CHIU CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR Municipal Transportation Agency
$100,813 SULULAGI PALEGA EMPLOYMENT AND TRAINING SPECIALIST IV Municipal Transportation Agency
$100,739 SEGUNDINA ANCHETA SENIOR SYSTEMS ACCOUNTANT Municipal Transportation Agency
$100,574 JOE ABREGO IS MANAGER Municipal Transportation Agency
$100,516 SO-MAN LEUNG Assoc Engineer Municipal Transportation Agency
$100,353 MARISA ESPINOSA Manager I, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$100,347 JAMES LANCE Manager IV, MTA Municipal Transportation Agency
$100,025 STEVE LOI SENIOR FARE COLLECTIONS RECEIVER Municipal Transportation Agency

I mean really. Does it take that many folks in the Muni agency to run it as fucked up as it is or is that many people the reason it is fucked up in the first place?

 

[AbsolutEnduser]

But if snorky lives there, he could have also paid for the residential permit.
These municipal guys are overpaid. So are some other people, too.

 

[RcrBoy]

But if snorky lives there, he could have also paid for the residential permit.
These municipal guys are overpaid. So are some other people, too.

1) I agree he should pay for the permit.

2)I'm not stating that they are overpaid, just questioning is there really a need for THAT many positions for that outfit?

It's all fucked up!

 

[thesnaf]

How do they tell? They mark your tire with Chalk, and then come back roughly 4 hours later.

Car is still there and their mark is there? as far as they are concerned it didn't move. You get a ticket.

receipts shouldn't void the ticket, how do you prove you took your car to those places?

 

[!xobile]

I'm not sure what type of chalk is used but is there a possibility that the chalk may still show after the car is driven?

I think a great idea would be to document vehicles illegally parked or pending citations by taking photographs. At my security job we are given a digital camera issued by the company to take photographs of rear plate, close-up of warning sticker, general area and any obvious damage before we get it towed. I think using the camera idea would avoid many misconceptions between parking enforcement and citizens.


OP, its great to hear you got a refund. You were in a crap situation and glad it worked out in your favor in the end. Speaking of DPT, there is a interesting youtube segment by Stanley Roberts (Kron 4 News) on San Francisco DPT.

 

[moto-rama]

Yep. I fight SFMTA tics on two principles.

All-in for BS tickets.

Extract time and effort from them because I don't like the idea of the city trying to balance the budget through things like parking tickets.

Here's why (this is just the 135 SFMTA 100K+ earners in 2007):

ahem...

Instead of complaining about people who make decent salary, why don't you get a better job, or join a union, and bargain for a decent wage.

Then you might be able to get your personal property (automobile) off of the public street (into a privately owned garage) that the entire state/city pay taxes to build and maintain.

Just a thought.

 

[Provenuts]

I got a parking citation for parking my mini van backwards on low traffic residential street near Napa. It was a scorching day, my boy was sleeping and I had the car turned around to get some shade. Took him inside after he woke up and left the car there for 1.5 hours. Came out and bam. I can understand if this was on the El Camino or Stevens Creek but on a tucked away suburb street on Sunday 12-2pm?

The ticket didn't have a legible license or vehicle number but I wrote to ask for leniency citing it was a legal parking spot, not blocking or interfering with traffic, driveways for sidewalks. I didn't leave an address, only a name and email on my dispute.

5 weeks later, I get an email with attachments stating I admitted guilt and need to pay. Screw these fools, I'll pay the $25 late fee out of principle to see how they're going collect. They can't pin it to a vehicle so DMV won't be able to help them.

 

[Trogdor]

How do they tell? They mark your tire with Chalk, and then come back roughly 4 hours later.

Car is still there and their mark is there? as far as they are concerned it didn't move. You get a ticket.

receipts shouldn't void the ticket, how do you prove you took your car to those places?

Generally if you can't re-park in the same block it's because they use cameras mounted on the scooters that record license plates and map them to GPS positions. That's why you can't leave and come back an hour later and park in the same spot. There's no chalk any longer.

Not the area you are talking about, but here's a nice page about how the system works. http://www.monterey.org/parking/autofind.html

 

[High-Side]

Generally if you can't re-park in the same block it's because they use cameras mounted on the scooters that record license plates and map them to GPS positions. That's why you can't leave and come back an hour later and park in the same spot. There's no chalk any longer.

Not the area you are talking about, but here's a nice page about how the system works. http://www.monterey.org/parking/autofind.html

The buggies equipped with an AutoVu also alert on scofflaws with five or more tickets and they can be programed to alert on stolen vehicles.

 

[87cr250r]

I was in Oakland and saw many cars with red flashing lights on the meters. I saw the meter made coming so I put a quarter in many of the meters. Sticking it to the man. It cost a couple of dollars but I felt strangely happy afterwards. $2 to me equals $320 out of their pension plans.

Let's start a movement. See a meter running low, drop a quarter in. It's illegal which shows you how much of a bunch of crooks parking enforecement really are.

 

[masameet]

Sounds like you're doing a good deed, 87cr250r. But if any of those vehicles were ticketed for overstaying the allotted parking time -- and Oakland, like San Francisco, has a municipal code that prohibits the extension of parking time by meter feeding -- would you have offered to pay the drivers' fines?

The whole point of parking meters is not to shake down motorists, but to encourage turnover.

 

[orbframe]

I was in Oakland and saw many cars with red flashing lights on the meters. I saw the meter made coming so I put a quarter in many of the meters. Sticking it to the man. It cost a couple of dollars but I felt strangely happy afterwards. $2 to me equals $320 out of their pension plans.

Let's start a movement. See a meter running low, drop a quarter in. It's illegal which shows you how much of a bunch of crooks parking enforecement really are.

if you think the $320 "pays their pension"

you're just taking money away from other state and municipal resources

 

[Provenuts]

I was in Oakland and saw many cars with red flashing lights on the meters. I saw the meter made coming so I put a quarter in many of the meters. Sticking it to the man. It cost a couple of dollars but I felt strangely happy afterwards. $2 to me equals $320 out of their pension plans.

Let's start a movement. See a meter running low, drop a quarter in. It's illegal which shows you how much of a bunch of crooks parking enforecement really are.

Can you spare some change?