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Buying a track bike that has never been registered

Agree on theft, but we're not talking about theft...we're talking about actual ownership. How do you prove you own your own computer or iPod?

You do not need a title to "own" a vehicle.
 
Agree on theft, but we're not talking about theft...we're talking about actual ownership. How do you prove you own your own computer or iPod?

You do not need a title to "own" a vehicle.

Since when has the state not required a title to own a vehicle?
 
Agree on theft, but we're not talking about theft...we're talking about actual ownership. How do you prove you own your own computer or iPod?

You do not need a title to "own" a vehicle.

That is just it possession does not = ownership. It is not like the popo is going to run the #'s to see if you own it. They do it to see if it is stolen.

If I'm accused of possessing stolen property my proof is my paperwork ie. receipts.
 
Agree on theft, but we're not talking about theft...we're talking about actual ownership. How do you prove you own your own computer or iPod?

You do not need a title to "own" a vehicle.


Vehicle's are treated by the State differently than your iPod.

Since we are talking California here is a link that should give you a hint:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc6150.htm
 
Chris, I understand that perfectly well. Titles are state issued for registration to use on public roads/ access. If not used on public roads, registration is not enforceable, thus, titling is not a requirement. Titling is a registration event required for use on public lands/ highways.

Bills of sale/ invoices will show chain of ownership, if needed to demonstrate ownership. As we're speaking about race bikes, not used on public roads/ facilities, then no, a title is not needed. A bill of sale would be handy/ smart to get from the previous owner, as well as all previous documents if possible.

There are mixups where even having a title and the vehicle do not denote ownership. One of my bikes, a CR250R that I bought from a friend who had bought it new from Milpitas Honda, had the wrong VIN on the title when it was sold to him new. The dealer had grabbed the wrong MSO out of their drawer/ finance company and titled the bike 1 digit away from his, to him. We discovered this years later and had to go through a massive process to get the names corrected, which eventually involved just doing a lien sale to get things back in order. Of course the only reason to do any of this was to get the bike able for use on public lands.

So while a title is the easiest way to determine ownership (so long as it's not a dupe), it's not the only, nor in the realm of race bikes, standard way to determine ownership...
 
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