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Bye Bye Capitalism

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From the Market Watch::

The Federal Reserve said it had approved the transformation of both Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs from investment banks to traditional bank holding companies, a step that would place the last two Wall Street titans under the close supervision of national bank regulators, subjecting them to new capital requirements and additional oversight.

The Fed said it would also extend additional lending to the broker-dealers of the two firms, in addition to Merrill Lynch's, as they make the transition.

The steps effectively mark the end of Wall Street as it has been known for decades, and formalizes a quid-pro-quo that regulators have warned about in the months after Bear Stearns's near collapse -- in return for access to the Fed's emergency lending facilities, the firms would need to subject themselves to more oversight. The step could have far reaching effects on their profitability and their business models.

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Goldman Sachs going down means a whole new era. Call it imperial capitalism or maybe oligarchial hegemony. Now faceless govt appointees will make even more behind the curtain decisions about how things happen, and none of them elected, which basically puts HUGE power into the hands of those who appoint. Scary shit.
 
Sir,

As you well know I am the least astute on this board in these matters.
I was wondering if you could "dumb" it down for me.
 
i like my shit scary. and a periodic re-thinking of how it oughta be can be a good thing. provided those that have had enough crap get off their asses and speak up.
 
The US government is taking over control of banks, insurance companies and probably stock brokers, in return for huge loans. The control will be done by appointed faceless political appointees. The guys in congress who control the Fed are going to be EXTREMELY POWERFUL now.
 
From the Market Watch::

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Goldman Sachs going down means a whole new era. Call it imperial capitalism or maybe oligarchial hegemony. Now faceless govt appointees will make even more behind the curtain decisions about how things happen, and none of them elected, which basically puts HUGE power into the hands of those who appoint. Scary shit.

damn, so much for keeping dinner down :(

I read that article as "we are going to hold people accountable" which REALLY means: "now you will never be able to hold us accountable"

I'm happy that the government is going to such great lengths to keep me safe ( :( )
 
The US government is taking over control of banks, insurance companies and probably stock brokers, in return for huge loans. The control will be done by appointed faceless political appointees. The guys in congress who control the Fed are going to be EXTREMELY POWERFUL now.
Fuck like the Policy Makers dont have enough control?

OH I get it, it was privatized! I was under the impression (the wrong one obviously) that they were always Fed watch dogs in place.

So if I understand this correctly, the traditional board of directors will no longer be in control of the strategic direction.

Wait does this mean that there will end up one bank? Can they do that? That closes the market doesn't it?
 
Nationalization of the banking industry. What could be wrong with that, comrade?
That SUCKS! The alphabet soup has waaaaay too much access into my life already. Why do they need EASIER access to my entire family's financials on top of it?

Where is the contingency planning in this? I want to see the Business Continuity plan. ONE CENTRAL HUB? Fuck that. What happens when I'm over seas and some fucktard doesn't accept transfers from my bank? Wait does this mean that there will only be one standard in which my savings will gain interest? Or loan rates does that mean these fuckers can set whatever fucking rate they want for the entire populace?

WHY?
 
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The US government is taking over control of banks, insurance companies and probably stock brokers, in return for huge loans. The control will be done by appointed faceless political appointees. The guys in congress who control the Fed are going to be EXTREMELY POWERFUL now.

Ernie,
you have to admit that these fookers have been screaming for regulation through their actions. Have you taken a look at the world of finance these days? I watch CNBC every morning and I have no freaking clue what they're talking about. Most of them freely admit they have no idea to what extent...blah blah blah. I was trying to do some research before diving into the real estate market and things are so convoluted and complicated that most financial people themselves have no idea why screwed up things are. With derivatives, short-selling, prime, subprime, alt-a, blah blah blah...
Do you remember Eliot Spitzer before the whole hooker thing? He went after them for cheating and was very successful in his prosecutions. It's like kids in a candy store. You have to stand guard and say no to them.
 
quick question before it gets lost in umpteen pages :)....so the debt of all these banks are being pushed to the govt. How does this solve anything?? Does it just allow banks to go forward with taking on more debt/investments and sticking the govt with all of their risky/bad decisions?
 
Well, I don't see how an regulated is worse... the free market one led us here...

The free market didn't push us here. In a free market the banks would be held responsible for their actions and the ones which made bad loans would go under like they should. Plus the feds were pushing for easier access to loans to allow poorer people the ability to buy homes. The problem is between freemarket and regulation, the problem is that govt and business are in bed together to our detriment.
 
quick question before it gets lost in umpteen pages :)....so the debt of all these banks are being pushed to the govt. How does this solve anything?? Does it just allow banks to go forward with taking on more debt/investments and sticking the govt with all of their risky/bad decisions?

It's not the government that is paying for this, it US. I would like to see much more regulation for the financial market. And for all of you "Deregulate everything" folks - guess what, if our tax dollars didn't bail this whole fuck up out, you'd be fucked. And you should be.
 
It is really hard to believe that in the span of ONE president we lost so many of our civil liberties and freedoms...and this from a Republican! It's really really sad. In defense of Bush though, some of this 'bubble' greed started back when Al Gore invented the Internet (facetious). Now...thanks to that greed we have lost the free enterprise system :( I don't know what ***ology you will call our new system of things, but it reminds me of the beginning of the 20th century all over again when people like Stalin started to get their voice.

So Ernie...help me understand something. All this credit money was funny money to start with. So now that it is being replaced by hard currency...where is it going to go? Back into the pockets of those that extended the bad credit in the first place? Kind of like a *gulp* reward? :dunno Or will it actually flow back into the economy?
 
The free market didn't push us here. In a free market the banks would be held responsible for their actions and the ones which made bad loans would go under like they should. Plus the feds were pushing for easier access to loans to allow poorer people the ability to buy homes. The problem is between freemarket and regulation, the problem is that govt and business are in bed together to our detriment.

I agree!
 
Can someone explain what this uptick rule is and why is significant that it's expired?
 
uptick meant no shorting unless a stock was going up.

Why I am worried about the fed takeover is that we will go the traditional pendulum from NO oversight (last eight years) to much oversight with NO responsibility. Oversight of capitalism is fine. Government ownership and control (AIG) is not.
 
Curious what people said back when the government bailed out Chrysler in the 70s. Or when the taxpayers bailed out the Savings and Loan debacle of the 80s.

The housing bubble made a pretty big mess, but I'm not stocking up on canned goods just yet.
 
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