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Call signs

Riddle me this Ken, why is it that even though the military perfected the phonetic alphabet decades before it was common place for police departments to use radios they created their version based on names? What was wrong with the one that the military used? Shit, a lot of police officers are transplanted military folks anyway. It'd just be one less thing they'd have to re-learn.

APCO phonetic alphabet (which I think originated in LA)

The military phonetic standard is set by NATO (IIRC)
 
Either way, it was widely known before the police even had a reliable radio system.
 
Well in , let's say Livermore, the real FCC issued "callsign" would be like KME909 and all the S, marry, and other "tactical" callsigns are really unit identifiers.

Folks just refer to them as callsigns.
 
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Well in , let's say Livermore, the real FCC issued "callsign" would be like KME909 and all the S, marry, and other "tactical" callsigns are really unit identifiers.

Folks just refer to them as callsigns.

Leave it to a ham to get all-nitpicky... :teeth
KF6OMC
 
^^^ That's easy to remember:p
Rel's callsign:

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I soooooooooooooooo hate you.
 
Riddle me this Ken, why is it that even though the military perfected the phonetic alphabet decades before it was common place for police departments to use radios they created their version based on names? What was wrong with the one that the military used? Shit, a lot of police officers are transplanted military folks anyway. It'd just be one less thing they'd have to re-learn.

They didn't.

The military used to use those phonetics too, up until the late 1960s. Then they switched to the ITU phonetic alphabet (courtesy of the UN.)

The UN is also responsible for ICAO, which is how those worked their way into aviation.

Anyway, it's not too hard to switch back and forth with a little practice.
 
The only reason I brought it up is my grandfather brought home a radioman's operator manual when he came back from WWII and I noticed that the exact same phonetic alphabet used today was described in that manual. That was obviously before the late 60's. :D
 
The only reason I brought it up is my grandfather brought home a radioman's operator manual when he came back from WWII and I noticed that the exact same phonetic alphabet used today was described in that manual. That was obviously before the late 60's. :D

:rolleyes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet#History

In military use British and American armed forces each developed their phonetic alphabets prior to both forces adopting the NATO alphabet in 1956. British forces adopted the RAF phonetic alphabet which is similar to the phonetic alphabet used by the Royal Navy in World War I. The U.S. adopted the Joint Army/Navy Phonetic Alphabet from 1941 to standardize systems amongst all branches of its armed forces. The U.S. alphabet became known as Able Baker after the words for A and B.

Incidentally, in WWII, they would have been using mostly Morse and RTTY -- aviation users and infantry were the big users of AM phone.

Ask a Vietnam vet -- there were plenty of units using the older style phonetics through the 60s :)

Police in the US don't have to worry about interoperability with foreign military units, so they never changed.
 
Wikipedia only knows what people submit to it. I have no reason to lie about what I saw.
 
I realize that, but the WWII system was joint between (both, technically, but effectively four) of the services engaged in that conflict. The USAF didn't exist then, it was still part of the Army, and the Marines are part of the Department of the Navy during wartime.

:)

I believe you, but it sounds to me like that manual had a later publication date -- the ITU phonetics of then (1937 revision IIRC) still had several words that were changed before the alphabet was widely adopted.

The bulk of training given to radiomen then anyway would have been teletype, radioteletype, telegraph, field telephone systems (usually wired), and Morse at that time, anyway. There was very little use of phone until late in the war.
 
Considering that he carried a radio almost the entire war, I'd say that's not necessarily true. :D
 
Considering that he carried a radio almost the entire war, I'd say that's not necessarily true. :D

Okay, last post in this thread, done whoring up the LEO Forum:

http://www.gordon.army.mil/ocos/Museum/alpha.asp

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Regimental Division,
Office Chief of Signal
United States Army Signal Center, Fort Gordon, GA

Note that difference between the 1944 and 1961 alphabets :p
 
Lets get this back on topic or its headed to the Sink.
 
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