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Car & Bikes v. Bike only trackdays

oblockton

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Decided to finally hit the track. Planning on doing a Sonoma trackday through Z2. The May 7th date is listed as a car and bike day. Looking for some info and opinions on car/bike days v. bike only. Is there less track time for car & bike days? Will the increase rubber on track from the cars hurt or help the ride at all?

Reason I chose Sonoma for a first track day instead of T.Hill is mainly my issue with heat (myself,not the bike). If a car & bike day is worse than bike only I suffer a bit for a cleaner run.

Any info would be greatly appreciated!!
 
I've done a bike/car day at laguna and it was fine, the only real issue was one bike session that was supposed to be A/B had alot of C riders so speed deferential was scary on the straight going into 2 over the blind top of 1
 
We've been running car/bike days for at least six or seven years now and they're a bunch of fun. Since we pioneered the concept and since it's still fairly unique, we do get a lot of questions as to how these events are run. Here are the most common:

1. Are cars and bikes on track together?
Cars and bikes are never on track at the same time (yes, some folks do wonder about that).

2. How does the schedule work?
It depends on the number of groups. If only three groups (2 bike, 1 car or vice versa), the schedule is the same as any other 3-group track day. When we have four groups (2 bike, 2 car), each group still gets 20 minute sessions but you'll get six sessions during the day instead of the typical seven so twenty fewer minutes of track time. Sometimes people will be turned off by this but they miss the whole point: by sharing the financial burden with cars, we're able to offer riders more Sonoma dates - especially weekend dates - at prices that don't break the bank. Look at the schedule for Sonoma and see how many Saturday track days are available during the Spring and Summer (or any day for that matter).

3. Do cars screw up the track for bikes?
Absolutely no more than bikes screw up the track for bikes. In other words, in all the car/bike days we've done over the years, we've found that cars don't drop any more oil or coolant than bikes do. On rare occasions a motor will blow or a car will overheat but if that happens, any time it takes to clean the track comes out of the car sessions. The car drivers are also very good about not dragging dirt onto the track and when/if they do, the track is cleaned before bikes go out. In fact, the cars tend to CLEAN the track up which is why we'll usually let cars go first when we're at Sonoma.

4. Is it possible to get a ride in a Ferrari?
YES! Well, only if someone brings a Ferrari and they are willing to give rides. The car guys are usually more than willing to show off their big-dollar toys so just sign the car passenger waiver at registration, get a wrist band, and go ask someone for a ride (bring your helmet). It's a different experience for sure. If you REALLY want to see some amazing driving, ask for a ride in a race-prepped Miata. Hard acceleration is essentially non-existent but the braking and turning Gs are extremely surprising. Bring some spare underwear.

Bottom line: Lots and lots of fun. If you have any more questions, send us an email. Hope to see you there.

--David
 
Totally agree with David. The car and bike track days are a blast cuz you can ride in some sweet cars when you're not on the bike. I rode with z2 at Laguna on my bike and did car ride alongs on every non bike session. It made the day so much more fun. It's a great concept.
 
Yes and to clarify it was a ton of fun and I would defenitly do another one
 
Go for it.. Its a great experience.

Its also super helpful to get 'sighting laps' from a car.. You get to see a lot that you'd otherwise miss when you're new to the track.
 
Awesome! Thanks for all the great info guys. I was waiting for an email telling me someone replied, figured nobody had responded. lol. I see it doesn't auto subscribe to thread you created.

I think I'll try one of these. Sounds like a good time. I know it'll make me miss the fun I had in my E36 M3 before moving to bikes.
 
Sheesh. I thought you were talking about the old Sears Point car/trackdays, when we paid $50 and shared the track with cars all day long, no groups.
 
Sheesh. I thought you were talking about the old Sears Point car/trackdays, when we paid $50 and shared the track with cars all day long, no groups.

:teeth dem were the day huh Ernie :afm199 Nothing like a superkart and a trans atlantic car making you feel all humble and stuff :laughing
 
Sheesh. I thought you were talking about the old Sears Point car/trackdays, when we paid $50 and shared the track with cars all day long, no groups.

I remember paying $25 for the whole day @ Sears. We had a chat w/the car guys before & it was easy, we just ran like this: cars/bikes, cars/bikes, cars/bikes & so on.

Sometimes we were on the track @ the same time; sometimes we even ran against each other.....me racing an IMSA Vette, & I'd kill him on the straights, & he'd kill me in the corners...fun fun fun! :teeth

The best was in 83' when suddenly a big yellow nose cone outbrakes me into Turn 7, I look over & it's the Pennzoil Indy Car, Al Unser driver. He was past me & gone! Red flag, pit. They asked me if they could get some exclusive time to test their new Fox Shox, & it was like "no problem." Enjoyed watching him fly around Sears like no one before him. All for $25...

Shortly after Al won the Indy 500. I think the shocks did it....:thumbup
 
Yep, I remember $25 and $35 days. It was always interesting what would show up. 1:30 lap times on the old track by the fastest cars or karts was a treat. Especially for the ears!

Which is really cool about the combo days. Back then we could only watch, nowadays, we can actually go for a ride. Miata on rails....no problem! Twin turbo 800hp NSX...yep covered! 240SX with a v-8, yeah we got ya. Really neat to get a ride and then find out how deep you really can go with the brakes :laughin
 
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Bike and cars at the same time!! yikes, sounds super fun and super sketchy. Wish I could bring those prices into 2016 though. $35?? I've spent more on dinner for 1 that only lasted 10min and left me on porcelain for 60.lol
 
Bike and cars at the same time!! yikes, sounds super fun and super sketchy. Wish I could bring those prices into 2016 though. $35?? I've spent more on dinner for 1 that only lasted 10min and left me on porcelain for 60.lol
The only problem is the cars go much faster (anything bigger than a IMSA racecar/FII/FIII.) Cars have big meat, 4 big contact patches- so they kill you in the braking/corners dept.

Bikes however, have awesome power to weight, so you can out accelerate just about anything short of an Indy car. So it evens out, & you can even dice it up (keeping your distance) from anything less powerful than a IMSA/SCCA sportscar. Quite a bit of fun passing on the straight, getting passed back in the corner, then passing back on exit again, & so on, & so on.....weee! :thumbup
 
Bike and cars at the same time!! yikes, sounds super fun and super sketchy. Wish I could bring those prices into 2016 though. $35?? I've spent more on dinner for 1 that only lasted 10min and left me on porcelain for 60.lol

I don't ever remember sketchy, but I think the mindset was a bit different back then. I don't want to say the talent was better, but maybe the focus. I think back then it was pretty serious to go testing as you were doing something and were racer, where nowadays, it's more a social event and there is less focus on just trying to get the fastest lap every lap! It's more fun and in some ways, that's better :teeth
 
Back when mens wuz mens and only real racers hit the track! I had to push my bike uphill both ways and I had to suck the pre-mix in the tank with my mouth!

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doesn't anyone know of any of these events other than the 2 ZoomZoom ones?
 
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