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Carnegie could be Closed Indefinitely

scare thing is, in my unit (military) we have guys with those names....lol and yes my nickname is cowboy.
 
There is going to be a news story on CBS 13 at 5 tonight, check it out!
 
BRC:

Monday, December 28, 2009
Appeal Victory - Carnegie Stays Open Until Jan. 11
Great News! - It appears the appeal filed by OHMVR was successful. The panel has said the park will stay open at least until January 11, 2010 if not longer.

OHMVR Update on Appeal
http://www.ohv.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=26096


Although this is very good news, the fight for Carnegie SVRA and our sport is not over. The General asks for you to stay engaged.

Stay tuned for updates and action items.

Happy New Year!!!

The General
 
This is great news Butch, I just read it in the State site and bingo found it here. Awesome Job everyone, this is how it should be done. Let keep the pressure on,

Any news from those who were there as to what WE SHOULD DO NEXT to keep that pressure on....




BRC:

Monday, December 28, 2009
Appeal Victory - Carnegie Stays Open Until Jan. 11
Great News! - It appears the appeal filed by OHMVR was successful. The panel has said the park will stay open at least until January 11, 2010 if not longer.

OHMVR Update on Appeal
http://www.ohv.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=26096


Although this is very good news, the fight for Carnegie SVRA and our sport is not over. The General asks for you to stay engaged.

Stay tuned for updates and action items.

Happy New Year!!!

The General
 
BRC:

.................
Although this is very good news, the fight for Carnegie SVRA and our sport is not over. The General asks for you to stay engaged.

Stay tuned for updates and action items.

Happy New Year!!!

The General

:hail

Thank you
 
today is some sort of court decision

Jan. 11 - Legal Fog Hangs Over Carnegie Crisis


The Recreation HQ has received several emails from riders who want to know what exactly is going to happen at Carnegie on the magic date of January 11, 2010.

The General has worked hard to sift through the rhetoric in order to inform Carnegie fans if the park will stay open or not until the water permit has been approved.

As some of you know, OHMVR has been ordered by the appellate court to submit its written argument on January 11, 2010. But that is where the clarity ends and the uncertainty of the park begins.

Based on my understanding of the appellate court (which is usually more moderate than a single activist judge), it can order any of the following actions:

After reviewing the state’s written argument, the court could decide to withhold any decision until after oral arguments are heard. However, the timeframe for them hearing any oral arguments could range from a few days up to several weeks or a month. What is uncertain is what the court would do regarding the park being open during the review period. It could remain open (a likely scenario) or the park could be closed.

Another option would be for the court to immediately review the argument that day and order the park to remain open or closed based on that review. Or, the court could give itself a certain timeframe (days or weeks) to review the arguments and render a decision during which time the park could remain open (a likely scenario) or the park could be closed.

Also, there are many other options as well that may or may not be just as convoluted.


The point I am trying to make is that nobody (including The General) can predict what the appellate court with do on Monday. It is very likely that the OHV community will not know the open or closed status of the park until 5 p.m. on Monday.

The General will be at meetings this next week (Mon – Thurs) so he may have limited amounts of time to post updates, but rest assured he will do his best. In the meantime, be sure and monitor the OHMVR Official Website for updates. They have worked hard to keep you informed.

Thanks for your service!
 
the General's blog is probablly the best source, or CORE? Nothing on Amador's blog yet.
Could cal the park and see if they're open...
 
I've looked all over the web and can't find anything new.

Update.. I just called Carnegie SVRA and they are open today. There was no ruling handed down yesterday. It is a day-by-day situation, but for now they are open and operating normally.

:ride

Adam
 
Update.. I just called Carnegie SVRA and they are open today. There was no ruling handed down yesterday. It is a day-by-day situation, but for now they are open and operating normally.

:ride

Adam

The Generals blog:

Tuesday, January 12, 2010
Carnegie Legal Update - Jan. 12, 2010
A quick legal update from the field. The General understands the AG successfully filed their brief with the appellate court on Monday, January 11.

Now we must wait for the court to make a decision. That time period could range from a couple of days to several weeks.

The park remains open for now until that decision is rendered.
 
I'm surprised this hasn't been cross-posted here yet. :nerd

The General's Blog (http://thegeneralsrecreationden.blogspot.com/2010/01/jan-15-carnegie-legal-update.html)

Jan. 15 - Carnegie Legal Update
The General is back at Recreation HQ and has some great news on this day.

The court has set January 26 as its next “decision date.” This is according the newest post at OHMVR. Until then the park is OPEN.

OHMVR Website Post
http://ohv.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=26096
Update: On January 14th, the Court of Appeal, in San Francisco, filed an order accepting an amicus letter brief from the State Water Resources Control Board (SWRCB), filed on January 11, 2010. This letter argued that the Superior Court in Alameda County lacks jurisdiction to close the park because PEER and CSPA failed to exhaust their administrative remedies with the Water Board first before going to the Court.

Peer and CSPA have until January 20th to file an opposition to the SWRCB letter.

State Parks and/or the SWRCB have until January 25th to file a reply to the opposition from PEER and CSPA.

The park will remain open pending further court action. We expect the court to make a decision on the issue of park closure on or after January 26, 2010.

This has been, and continues to be, a very important test case for water quality-based lawsuits filed by agenda driven environmental groups. Many nervous land owners, farmers, family businesses are also watching this case.

The General thanks all of you for your continued patience and willingness to help in the fight to keep our public lands open for responsible OHV use.

The Carnegie saga continues...
 
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The issue is not yet over, we need to be pressuring the system with emails and faxs as we did prior.

We seem to start loosing momentum after the start of the race, it is a pace yourself but hit your time at each point JUST LIKE AN ENDURO :thumbup
 
We seem to start loosing momentum after the start of the race, it is a pace yourself but hit your time at each point JUST LIKE AN ENDURO :thumbup

Don't forget that Wednesday the 20th is the BLM meeting in Santa Clara. If you can make it, it begins at 5:30PM and will be held at the Santa Clara Convention Center.
 
The Santa Clara meeting was good. I'll post something. Cooper got ripped a new one.
If CCMA falls, the more easily Carnegie will, then Hollister, the Cow, then Stony.

Meeting was good. We met with BRC and foccma and others afterwards. More to follow.
We can beat these guys. With all your help.
 
There were a number of LEO's there. Santa Clara City, National Park Service, BLM and I think even a State Park ranger. The only ones they were missing was a Mid Peninsula Open Space guy :)

The BLM gave a 2 second overview (it was more than that but it sure didn't seem like it) of the closure, glossing over the alternatives. The public was given the remaining time to comment.

BLM was taking "key points" down but really not responding to or formally accepting the public comment. If you have comments regarding CCMA closure, they must be received in writing by the comment closure period.

There were many comments criticizing the science behind the report. Two young kids emphasized the family aspect of the sport. Rick Cooper got bitch slapped for not having the courtesy to pay attention during the various presentations.

Two gentlemen from the California OHV Commission also made some very thoughtful comments that included attacking the science and wondering why an independent peer review was not conducted on the findings.

It was pretty informative to hear what people were thinking. It's too bad BLM didn't take the time to record people's input and include it. In many regards, this was just a dog and pony show designed to allow the Hollister Field Office to check off the required number of public comment meetings.

My advice to all is to take the time to write a comment using the advice posted elsewhere. The second thing you can do is join FOCCMA or BRC or if give them some cash--today was just a show. The real fight won't happen until BLM's decision is recorded and it's time to sue the bastards.
 
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