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Caught a guy throwing his bike away

Lazerus

Lazerus

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Rory
Was up in the hills this weekend, riding 2up with another 2up buddy, and a solo buddy. Road we were riding has fresh tar snakes that the front tire was very unhappy with, so I was taking it easy and trying to keep tabs on my other 2 up buddy. When I hadnt seen him for about a minute, I circled back to check on him. When I did, discovered that he was fine, and the vid picks up from there.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7155695742027533959

Most motards are great for "goatish" roads... most riders however aren't. RIP ducati:(

My analysis of the crash:

Rider takes an early apex that would have required a second steering input to negotiate the corner. Unfortunately, there was a large section of tar snakes running parallel with the road at the point that he apexed which slightly upset the bike. When this happened, rather than making the necessary second steering input, he stood on the rear brake and locked the rear wheel. Stayed locked up and fixated on the side of the road. Finally gave a last ditch steering input to try to avoid the oncoming bike, which spun his bike around casting him to the ground.

Poor line selection, bad job of scanning for surface hazards, unsafe speed for conditions, and bad emergency use of controls all lead up to this crash IMO. I was just glad I had the camera rolling during such a slow and boring ride:teeth
 
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He came very close to wiping out one of those other two bikes. Yikes.
 
That was cool the way he almost took out the other bike. Fairly complete transition from hero hypermotardist pwning the other rydahs on the goat trail to public menace about to be humiliated on the internet.
 
With a great personality to boot. No thanks for the help, or apology to the oncoming rider :thumbdown
 
Normally, I'd say I don't think it's fair to judge someone's personality right after they wreck, but when you come that close to taking out another rider, I think the need for an apology is pretty obvious. Definitely not cool.
 
where was the goat trail???:|

they are both lucky he didn't take out the oncoming bike. (hypertard and oncoming rider).

:(
 
Thx for posting it but I always hated the term "throwing his bike away" like he had a choice.

(oh, and my puter will only let me see 1:33 of the vid for some reason. :wtf
 
I guess it depends on your perspective of choice. For me, the reasons that I posted in my analysis is nothing but a long series of bad choices on the riders part. I guess being responsible for my actions is something that I hold as paramount to riding, so given that the circumstances that the rider faced were far from insurmountable, I would have said that "I threw my bike away" had I been the one to "fall-down-go-boom".

Oh well. Thanks for watching it though :thumbup It sucks to spend hours upon hours sorting and editing to develop something that few will ever see :( This one was definately one of my more "thrown together" bits for that very reason.

Mort, you got pm. I dont like to "blow up" good spots any more than they already are.
 
By the looks of it, I'm thinking he was staring at the road in front of him, and not into the turn... kind of panic'd a little and kind of rode the back brake, i dono though. but for bike to whip around like that? i'm not even sure.
 
Started turn WAY too early, had he taken the proper

line the asphalt snakes would not have been a factor either.

An aside, the double yellow doesn't just apply to tire position, none of the rider/bike system should cross over those lines. A safety issue, ya know.
 
RhythmRider said:
I don't think Mortifer was asking where the road was. I think he was referring to the fact that the road in your video has absolutely beautiful pavement and 2 very wide lanes. In short, it is not goaty.
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It gets plenty goaty later in the ride. Just didn't film the goaty sections as the pace was slow enough to put viewers to sleep. Riding two up through rough stuff with a passenger that suffers from lower back pain means creeping over/ around potholes.

The place where the rider crashed is goatier than the video would lead you to believe however. Everytime you cross one of those new tarsnakes, the front tucks ever so slightly. That was why my buddy had faded back behind me. The effect was soo profound that he had thought his front tire was going flat. Also, the entire surface is covered in a fine layer of loose pebbles. the road subbed up last year, making the top layer very loose even before the tar snakes had been put in. Two lanes wide, yeah... but no highway 9.


Later in the vid though... best pavement I have ever seen:thumbup I know that my double yellow discipline may be lax compared to some folks. For me, it depends on how far ahead I can see. If I can deduce that no cars are going to plow me for doing so, I will use that part of the lane to avoid surface hazards or make a more 2up friendly line. You may notice that getting the bike steered quickly wasn't my prime directive. Just trying to make for some safe smooth fun. The crappy attempt at wheelies though was obviously 1 up. :laughing
 
I really gotta get an on-board camera.

Almost looks like his foot positioning had something to do with the crash. I mean, I'm just speculating. But overall, I guess it was the combination of factors all coming down to too fast/above skill level.

:twofinger
 
That was some incredibly crappy riding on his part. And just another reason why I don't street ride much anymore. Life's to precious to put mine in the hands of some retard like that.

Oh and to all the newbs out there, DISCONNECT YOUR REAR BRAKES OR LEARN NOT TO USE THEM. They are useless for just about anything other than putting your ass on the ground.
 
Archimedes said:
Oh and to all the newbs out there, DISCONNECT YOUR REAR BRAKES OR LEARN NOT TO USE THEM. They are useless for just about anything other than putting your ass on the ground.
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That really is poor advice. Doing that is just another way for riders to avoid personal responsibility for their actions. The problem wasn't the rear brake, the problem was the incorrect use of the rear brake.
 
slydrite said:
HTF do people crash going that slow?!?!?!
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This really looked like inexperience. It's easy to slide the front over these damn tar snakes and it's even easier to panic, try to straighten the bike and run wide. That's what it looked like to me.

How to handle slides - whether they are on purpose or involuntary - is darn near impossible on the street. A year of club racing would fix that. That's especially true for front-end slides - they are just plain scary.

It also looked like he locked up the rear - panic reaction again. Most times I see riders make these types of mistakes they are not even close to the limits of their bikes and could easily push the bastard down and make the turn.

I think that rear brakes are useless and dangerous. The only time they serve any purpose is in the rain or on the track to control slides. I'm quite happy that in none of the bikes I have they are worth a damn - meaning they are pretty much have no effect.
 
I lost front and rear a few times on white lines and manholes in turns.
Kind of "Oh FUCK" moments. Didn't even have time to panic it happend so fast.

And yeah, didn't look like he was going that fast.
 
Enchanter said:
That really is poor advice. Doing that is just another way for riders to avoid personal responsibility for their actions. The problem wasn't the rear brake, the problem was the incorrect use of the rear brake.
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You couldn't have said that better! When I read the comment, my first thought was "there are plenty of occasions that you only would want to use the rear brake" but hell what do I know!

Learn to use both brakes, practice emergency braking using both brakes and only use the front and only the rear, that would help more than just not using the rear. Just my opinion.
 
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