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CHP buying Honda's!

Is the radio box on the ST any bigger?
 
5MARY4 said:
Is the radio box on the ST any bigger?
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Not even as big- it's more of little "flair" box that goes where the rear seat would go. I have gotten the siren amp, the radio, and a Counting Unit in there- no problem. The issue isn't the box size (bring on the jokes!), but that CHP is using a 30 year old radio (think; HUGE), then another radio for their extender setup- 25 pounds of shit in a ten pound box ain't going to work...
 
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Of course, Kawasaki needs to take the concours, add a little more cooling ducting, a 1 KW generator, and sell THAT as a police bike.

It would make my lanesplitting on the way to work easier :teeth
 
nweaver said:
Of course, Kawasaki needs to take the concours, add a little more cooling ducting, a 1 KW generator, and sell THAT as a police bike.

It would make my lanesplitting on the way to work easier :teeth
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And make it so the saddlebags don't fall off. :wow:laughing
 
NorCalBusa said:
What I've heard is they don't like first gear, the lights & siren don't meet Title 13
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Aren't the lights just Code3 3 head Optix? Title 13 requires 2 class D to the front, 1 can flash. Is it the flashing patterns, the power? Any ideas?

What siren/speaker combo is installed?
 
RolnCode3 said:
Aren't the lights just Code3 3 head Optix? Title 13 requires 2 class D to the front, 1 can flash. Is it the flashing patterns, the power? Any ideas?

What siren/speaker combo is installed?
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It's all Code 3; the BMW enclosure assemblies either have never been Title 13 certified or don't comply, ditto on the siren. For 3 years, CHP has been dialing up the scrutiny of Title 13 (or not) equipment. Remember the Camaros with the perforated ducts at the under-cowl ends? That wasn't for brake caliper air flow- it was because they had to add a second siren speaker to meet Title 13. CHP, for the last 3 years, has also put on a Title 13 seminar at CopsWest- getting the word out (for example; only Wail and Yelp are Title 13 siren sounds- from a liability perspective, Taser/Phaser/Barking Dog/all the rest are as good as leaving it turned off). Strobes in the turn signal housing (EVERYONE has them)- not approved by Title 13 or by D.O.T.- in fact, as soon as the shop cuts into the DOT approved housing- they void the DOT certificate for the turn signal/brake light (as the approved assembly has been chagned, and therefore needs new certification- which has never been done).
 
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JPM said:
And make it so the saddlebags don't fall off. :wow:laughing
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That they've already done. There's an NTSB recall on that and the luggage rack.
 
So I'm assuming the ST1300 doesn't have the high speed weave anymore?
 
plumber said:
So I'm assuming the ST1300 doesn't have the high speed weave anymore?
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Yes, I stopped beating my wife.

Never had a single complaint of it in the US. The Euro bikes that did it ALL had pee dee equipment mounted exactly where Honda Publications said not to (raised and moved aft the CG).
 
NorCalBusa said:
Strobes in the turn signal housing (EVERYONE has them)- not approved by Title 13 or by D.O.T.- in fact, as soon as the shop cuts into the DOT approved housing- they void the DOT certificate for the turn signal/brake light (as the approved assembly has been chagned, and therefore needs new certification- which has never been done).
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haha wait....does this mean that any time a motor officer cites someone for aftermarket/ noncompliant lights or blinkers, there is a good likelihood that his or her agency issued bike is itself not compliant?

oh that's rich

(and for the record all of my lighting is and has always been stock)
 
Entropy_Slave said:
haha wait....does this mean that any time a motor officer cites someone for aftermarket/ noncompliant lights or blinkers, there is a good likelihood that his or her agency issued bike is itself not compliant?

oh that's rich

(and for the record all of my lighting is and has always been stock)
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Depends. :p

On the Crown Vic's; there's a chance.
On bikes; only the BMW 1200 (2007 and up) have those model Code 3 lights.
 
I rode one -- when I was at motor school. I didn't like it, but then, I didn't know what to look for either.
 
JPM said:
Actually as long as there is one front facing solid steady red light facing forward visible from 1000 feet away police cars can have any other lights they want if they meet title 13 or not as the one red meets the requirement.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25252.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25258.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc25259.htm
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Not according to CHP's emergency equipment seminar. And, there has been several civil cases lost due to unapproved equipment. In one; the siren was capable of a non-Title 13 sound (Phaser), the injured parties attorney figured it out, and the case settled for >$2mm. It's what you do, not me- but I'm pretty sure all the lights need to meet Title 13 and there are regulations for height, position fore and aft of various colors etc. The specific point CHP stated repeatedly was that all this "other stuff" isn't Kosher and present huge liability. There was even talk of CHP training one CHP officer in each Command area to be the "red light" expert- and have them go inspect and certify the law and fire agencies (and I'd think ambulances). Press hard JPM- three copies!
 
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The entire title 13 section on lights. Lights are different that sirens. As long the vehicle meets the one red requirement you can add all the extra pretty lights you want. As for the siren, it says no other tones allowed.

13 CA ADC § 818


13 CCR § 818

Cal. Admin. Code tit. 13, § 818




BARCLAYS OFFICIAL CALIFORNIA CODE OF REGULATIONS
TITLE 13. MOTOR VEHICLES
DIVISION 2. DEPARTMENT OF THE CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL
CHAPTER 2. LIGHTING EQUIPMENT
ARTICLE 22. WARNING LAMPS
This database is current through 2/15/08, Register 2008, No. 7
§ 818. Type of Warning Lamps Used on Emergency Vehicles and Special Hazard Vehicles.


Warning lamps on emergency vehicles and special hazard vehicles shall be of the following types:
(a) Required Red Warning Lamps on Authorized Emergency Vehicles. The steady burning red warning lamp required to be visible to the front of an authorized emergency vehicle by Vehicle Code Section 25252 shall be a Class A, B or C warning lamp. Motorcycles may instead be equipped with two Class D warning lamps in the front, one of which may flash.

(b) Permitted Additional Red Warning Lamps on Authorized Emergency Vehicles. The additional steady burning or flashing red warning lamp permitted by Vehicle Code Section 25252 shall be a Class A, B, C, or E warning lamp.

(c) Permitted Yellow Warning Lamps on Authorized Emergency Vehicles. The additional flashing yellow warning lamp permitted on authorized emergency vehicles by Vehicle Code Section 25259 shall be a Class B, C, or E warning lamp. Two yellow motorcycle turn signal lamps may be used as warning lamps on the rear of motorcycles.

(d) Permitted Blue Warning Lamps on Police Vehicles. The additional flashing or steady burning blue warning lamp permitted by Vehicle Code Section 25258(b) shall be Class B, C, or E.

(e) Required Yellow Warning Lamps on Tow Cars. The flashing yellow warning lamp required on tow cars by Vehicle Code Section 25253 shall be a Class B, C, or E warning lamp. The flashing yellow warning lamp permitted to be displayed to the rear of a tow car while towing a vehicle and moving at a speed slower than the normal flow of traffic may be a 360-degree revolving or gaseous discharge lamp. In such case, the front and side areas of the lens or transparent cover that extends back to 45 degrees to each side of the straight-to-the-rear axis of the lamp shall be covered with opaque material reaching to the top of the lighted area. A revolving lamp may instead be equipped with a device that turns each light source off during the forward three-fourths of its rotation.

(f) Permitted Yellow Warning Lamps on Special Hazard Vehicles. The flashing yellow warning lamps permitted on special hazard vehicles by Article 7 of Division 12 of the Vehicle Code beginning with Section 25252, shall be a Class B, C, or E warning lamp, depending on whether the lamp is permitted to be displayed only to the front and rear or to the front, sides, and rear.

(g) Warning Lamps for Undercover Cars. The required steady-burning forward-facing warning lamps on authorized emergency vehicles with special plates permitted by Vehicle Code Section 5001 shall be a class A, B, or C. This warning lamp may also be a fixed or handheld red spotlamp with a filament of at least 30 watts, and producing at least 3,000 candela in red at the brightest point in the beam. Such a lamp need not meet any of the other requirements of this article except for color. Additional steady-burning or flashing warning lamps shall be class A, B, C, or E. These warning lamps may be displayed through transparent or translucent material provided the light, of proper color, is plainly visible and understandable in bright sunlight and during darkness, under normal atmospheric conditions, to a distance of 800 feet from the vehicle. These lights shall not transfigure, disrupt or mask any other required lighting device.


<General Materials (GM) - References, Annotations, or Tables>


Note: Authority cited: Section 26103, Vehicle Code. Reference: Sections 24012 and 26103, Vehicle Code.



HISTORY

1. Amendment of subsections (e) and (g) filed 11-25-2002; operative 12-25-2002
(Register 2002, No. 48).

13 CCR § 818, 13 CA ADC § 818
1CAC

13 CA ADC § 818

END OF DOCUMENT

(C) 2008 Thomson/West. No Claim to Orig. US Gov. Works.
 
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And the siren.

13 CA ADC § 1028


13 CCR § 1028

Cal. Admin. Code tit. 13, § 1028




BARCLAYS OFFICIAL CALIFORNIA CODE OF REGULATIONS
TITLE 13. MOTOR VEHICLES
DIVISION 2. DEPARTMENT OF THE CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL
CHAPTER 4. SPECIAL EQUIPMENT
ARTICLE 8. SIRENS
This database is current through 2/15/08, Register 2008, No. 7
§ 1028. Performance Requirements.


(a) Siren Functions. Electronic sirens shall have a wail function and may also have manual and yelp functions. No other function is permitted on sirens sold after January 1, 1982, except for voice communication. Sirens shall meet the following requirements in addition to the sound levels specified in Table I:

(1) Wail. The wail function shall have an automatic undulating pitch rate of not less than 10 nor more than 30 oscillations per minute. The sound level shall not drop more than 10 dB(A) below the required values in Table I during the lowest portion of any cycle.


(2) Manual. Electronic sirens manufactured after January 1, 1982, which include a manual function shall use the vehicle horn ring or any other manual momentary contact switch to allow the vehicle operator to switch between the wail and yelp functions, to momentarily override the descending sound pattern of the automatic cycle when the control is set at "wail," or to produce a manually-cycled wail when the control is set at "manual."


(3) Yelp. The yelp function shall have an automatic undulating pitch rate of not less than 150 nor more than 250 oscillations per minute, except for sirens sold prior to July 1, 1980.


(b) Sound Level Output. Two classes of sirens, A and B, are established based on the A-weighted sound level output measured at the angles specified in Table I. The sound level measurements of electronic sirens shall be started immediately after the siren has been operated for one minute. A deviation of 1 dB(A) below the specified value shall be allowed at any three of the eleven test points.




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Table I. Minimum A-Weighted Sound Level at 3.0 m (9.8 ft)


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Rotation
deg
left and right Sound Level, dB(A)
from axis Class A Class B
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0 120 115
10 119 114
20 118 113
30 117 112
40 115 110
50 113 108
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(c) Siren Classification. The A or B overall classification of a siren shall be the class of the lowest performing function incorporated in the siren. The reported sound level for each test point under manual operation shall be the steady-state level reached during continuous activation. The reported sound level for the wail and yelp functions at each test point shall be the average of the levels reached by five consecutive major peaks.

(d) Frequency Requirements. The maximum sound level in the axis of the siren shall occur in either the 1000- or the 2000-Hz octave bands for all functions.

(e) Electronic Siren Wattage. The wattage drawn by speakers of electronic sirens shall not exceed the following requirements when tested at the voltages specified in Section 1027(b) of this article. The voltage leads of the wattmeter shall be connected to the speaker terminals on the amplifier, and readings shall be taken in the order of manual, wail, and yelp.

(1) At the voltage specified for the sound level tests, the measured wattage after 1 min and before 3 min of operation shall not exceed the rating of the driver.


(2) At the voltage specified for wattage tests, the wattage shall not exceed 105% of the rating of the driver when measured after 10 min of operation.


(3) The wattage recorded for wail and yelp shall be the mathematical average of the high and low readings of five continuous cycles as the signal varies.



<General Materials (GM) - References, Annotations, or Tables>


Note: Authority cited: Section 26103, Vehicle Code. Reference: Sections 26103 and 26104, Vehicle Code.



HISTORY

1. Editorial correction of NOTE (Register 81, No. 44).

13 CCR § 1028, 13 CA ADC § 1028
1CAC

13 CA ADC § 1028

END OF DOCUMENT

(C) 2008 Thomson/West. No Claim to Orig. US Gov. Works.
 
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