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Cold Shower!

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Sane_Man said:

Every wife should have a sister willing to take one for the team. :p

:laughing :laughing :laughing :cry :laughing


I just came in to see why the hell is this thread still going... and quickly looked at this page. It seems like it is a love story/romance book in the making.

But man, the quote above was funny as hell!
:thumbup

:laughing :laughing ....
 
AbeezieSoNeezie said:
do you think that was his original intent?
what restaurants? anything in the city?
Feanor - brah, post in the other thread and tell us where your name originated from (or post here). i've been meaning to ask you.

possibly, I don't know. maybe all the interest sparked the idea.

there used to be one in Los Gatos. It may still be there. My wife went to it for a company party one time. I don't remember the name.
 
1. Who cares if its true or not, it was enjoyable.

2. Do you really want to meet the ladies? I find that reading a novel is more fun than any tv show because your imagination brings the characters to life. It's kinda like seeing how radio dj's look like after being a long time fan, utterly disappointing.
 
kickstand said:
I wouldn't mind putting a little bit of myself into Eri......Is she black?

Somebody has not read this thread in its entirety.
 
"'Come here,' they sang, 'renowned Ulysses, honour to the Achaean
name, and listen to our two voices. No one ever sailed past us without
staying to hear the enchanting sweetness of our song- and he who
listens will go on his way not only charmed, but wiser, for we know
all the ills that the gods laid upon the Argives and Trojans before
Troy, and can tell you everything that is going to happen over the
whole world.'
"They sang these words most musically, and as I longed to hear
them further I made by frowning to my men that they should set me
free; but they quickened their stroke, and Eurylochus and Perimedes
bound me with still stronger bonds till we had got out of hearing of
the Sirens' voices. Then my men took the wax from their ears and
unbound me.



I rarely sleep without dreams, and the dream I had that night was walking down the street of our cul de sac... and I moved to each home in turn, having sex with the familiar women in each house and even the teenage daughters when I was finished with their mothers, and each of them gave themselves to me willingly with absolutely no hesitation or shame, and I had no shame in violating them.

And then I arrived at our house, and J was standing on the front porch smiling, and she had a paintbrush in one hand and a book in the other, and when she spoke it was her Mother's voice, and it sounded so pleasant. I loved listening to the accent which was not Paris, nor was it provincial, but somewhere in between, and she spoke to me...

"Stop being so silly, dinner is almost ready... and I started to walk inside and as I looked down the street at the women and daughters who were "left" they called to me in disappointment and motioned with their hands to come over.

I kept walking until I entered the house thru the front door, and everything inside was painted blue...
 
(I rarely sleep without dreams, and the dream I had that night was walking down the street of our cul de sac... and I moved to each home in turn, having sex with the familiar women in each house and even the teenage daughters when I was finished with their mothers, and each of them gave themselves to me willingly with absolutely no hesitation or shame, and I had no shame in violating them.

And then I arrived at our house, and J was standing on the front porch smiling, and she had a paintbrush in one hand and a book in the other, and when she spoke it was her Mother's voice, and it sounded so pleasant. I loved listening to the accent which was not Paris, nor was it provincial, but somewhere in between, and she spoke to me...

"Stop being so silly, dinner is almost ready... and I started to walk inside and as I looked down the street at the women and daughters who were "left" they called to me in disappointment and motioned with their hands to come over.

I kept walking until I entered the house thru the front door, and everything inside was painted blue...)

Your dream reminded me of something:

"'Come here,' they sang, 'renowned Ulysses, honour to the Achaean name, and listen to our two voices. No one ever sailed past us without staying to hear the enchanting sweetness of our song- and he who listens will go on his way not only charmed, but wiser, for we know all the ills that the gods laid upon the Argives and Trojans before Troy, and can tell you everything that is going to happen over the whole world.'

"They sang these words most musically, and as I longed to hear
them further I made by frowning to my men that they should set me free; but they quickened their stroke, and Eurylochus and Perimedes bound me with still stronger bonds till we had got out of hearing of the Sirens' voices. Then my men took the wax from their ears and unbound me.
 
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This whole thing reminds me of that dude that just got busted on Oprah writing that fake memoir. He should have just called it a novel and he would have been golden. He would have been the next J.K. Rowling.
 
Beetlejuice said:
This whole thing reminds me of that dude that just got busted on Oprah writing that fake memoir. He should have just called it a novel and he would have been golden. He would have been the next J.K. Rowling.
Who knows, maybe Feanor = James Frey working on the next one...
 
It's funny to me, and I would be lying if I didn't admit, a little flattering also that people could suggest my writing is anything more than simply a sketchy account of events.

I honestly cannot see how it could ever really be a book or any kind because it's all from my own single perspective of what I see, or think I see, and nothing else... There is no accounting of what J or Eri or anyone else does with their day when I'm not there because I cannot see that... I would think that could make a book incredibly boring as one would expect the "camera" wandering about with the ability to watch everyone and see into their minds as well.

There's no fear in expecting to see any of this on the rotating Harlequin Romance book rack unless someone else does something with it...

I'm not into romance novels either, what would someone like me know about love? I just do the best I can, and if I wrote a book, it would be on Network Security, or Database Administration pertaining to US Government Clients...

Feanor
 
Don't sell yourself short... you write great sentences.
 
For one reason or another, this whole thing made me think of a beautiful Murder City Devils song, "I'll Come Running". It's uncharacteristically sappy for them, though probably the only "predictable" thing in their style was breaking rules. Here are the lyrics:

I'll Come Running

Matter of fact,
youre on the right track,
my future looks black and blue.

Didn't take long,
to see I was wrong,
I still got it strong for you.

I'll come runin' yeah, (I'll come runing yeah)
if you want me to, (if you want me to)
I'll come runin' yeah, (I'll come runing yeah)
because i'm done in yeah,
without you.

I'd give my last shirt,
to take back the words,
that brought all that hurt upon us.

Both made mistakes,
had some bad breaks,
we got what it takes to go on.

I'll come runin' yeah, (I'll come runing, yeah)
if you want me to, (if you want me to)
I'll come runin' yeah, (I'll come runing, yeah)
because i'm done in yeah,
without you.

I'll come runin' yeah, (ill come runing, yeah)
if you want me to, (if you want me to)
I'll come runin' yeah, (ill come runing, yeah)
because i'm done in yeah,
without you,
without you.
Edit: MCD actually covered this song, originally written by Neil Diamond.
 
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WTF?!?!?!?

I take a few days off from work and go back 4 pages in the KS to find Cold Shower. DAAAAMN. I missed all kinds of stuff.

Feanor, your writing is fantastic. My best to you and the wife.
 
It is now at 167 pages.

Would you like a copy for J to read?

Truth, fiction or drama.
Irrelevant.

As has been said... Very well written.

Should I submit it to a publisher I know?

Feanor... you wanna change careers?
 
m0t0_ryder said:
Truth, fiction or drama.
Irrelevant.

tell that to Oprah...:teeth :laughing :laughing

It was beautifully written, a fantastic read if your into romance novels

I'm still of the belief it was a novel and not a memoir..
 
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I am speechless...so many thoughts about this whole scenario keep me from dealing with my daily tasks, but I suspect that has been the case for everyone engrossed in this tale.

I have no desire to debate the veracity of these happenings and think that isn't really the point. We are all rubberneckers on the carnage of your recent history. I haven't completely gathered my thoughts, but something is bothering me greatly...perhaps this isn't the place to post, but....

I in no way condone Nora giving J medication and in fact think it is not only irresponsible, but borderline criminal. That said, mental disease is not and should not be a stigma. Mental illness is viewed as an emotional shortcoming and is in fact a physical illness requiring medical treatment. Many people believe wrongly that manic depressives are violent or that they are simply different than others. This is alarming because people are not seeking treatment out of fear of the ignorance of others or being labeled for something they cannot control. Every time someone is called crazy because they have a chemical imbalance it facilitates the myth and creates pressure not to seek help.

Here is a wonderful write up from a News Anchor that has "outed" himself:

http://bipolar.about.com/gi/dynamic...lum.org/articles/articles_bipolar_myturn.html

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My Turn
Let Me Tell You a Secret
By Chris Marrou

I hope that one day mental illness will be as openly accepted as any physical disability.

Prozac saved my life, but I'm not supposed to tell anyone. If I'd been saved by a brilliant new surgical procedure that corrected a heart defect or by a new kind of bullet-resistant vest, I'd be featured in sober reports on network newscasts and packages on the tabloid shows with bright graphics and gee-whiz narration.

But it's just a pill I take once a day. For millions of people around the world the pills are a miracle, but we're supposed to keep our mouths shut about it. The reason is, of course, that we're all mentally ill. That's crazy to you.

Actually, I don't mind the word itself. I often refer to the little tablets as my "loony pills" or "wacky pills" when I'm asking my wife where I left them. (The pills can save your life, but they can't improve your memory.) What bothers me is our society's treatment of the issue of mental illness.

To understand the problem, consider former senator Bob Dole. Just days before the end of World War II, he was seriously injured while fighting in Italy. He survived but faced years of grueling therapy aimed at rehabilitating his body. What if that Axis bullet had missed young Bob Dole, and instead he had been overwhelmed after the battle by clinical depression? In those days, it might have taken years of psychiatric therapy before he could return to society again. Even if he had, there would have been mental scars that affected his behavior much as the physical injury affected his arm. Do you think Dole would be campaigning today for the most powerful political position on earth? Would journalists ignore his continuing mental problems as they ignore his physical disabilities today? I don't think so.

My mental problems struck me as swiftly as any bullet, and as unexpectedly. Although I once dropped a ninth-grade speech class because of stage fright, I had gone on to win dozens of high-school speech awards with hardly a flutter. I worked at my college radio station, then returned home to Texas to jobs in radio and TV, speaking daily to hundreds of thousands of people. After 15 years as a top-rated TV anchorman, I was secure in my ability to face an audience under any circumstances. No script? Ad-lib. Hurricane, flood, train wreck? Send me in and hand me the microphone. I had a long-term contract and made major bucks. I had nothing to fear.

But fear itself. A few months after my twin daughters were born in 1988, I was halfway through a 6 o'clock newscast when I was suddenly overwhelmed by terror. I thought I was having a heart attack, except that I knew I was in great physical condition. I couldn't breathe, even though I ran more than two miles a day. I was dying in front of more than a hundred thousand people--and I still had four stories to read before I could go to a commercial.

From that day on, fear ruled my life. As fellow sufferers know, it strikes when the victim is most vulnerable. In my case, I had anxiety attacks only when I was on live TV and in the midst of voice-over stories that featured me talking. No sound bites, no reporter packages, no commercials. Just me and the script and that damned clock, ticking off the seconds like centuries. Unlike most other TV newscasters in the country, I didn't have a co-anchor to bail me out. Just me and my fears, duking it out in front of an audience the Astrodome couldn't hold.

Anxiety attack is such a cute term. It sounds like a kid got so excited about a planned vacation to the Grand Canyon that he couldn't do his homework. Panic attack is better, but even that doesn't describe what the victim feels. Death would be a sweet release compared with the agony my brain put me through. Only another victim of mental illness would understand.

In fact, death was an option I considered. Could I drive on the interstate and swerve into a bridge abutment and have my insurance pay off? How would that affect my newborn girls, who would never know their father? One day I took the ammunition out of my .38 revolver, worried that I might make a split-second decision that I might not live to regret.

I find it hard to believe that no viewers or co-workers noticed what I was going through. If they did, thank God they didn't mention it. One anonymous phone call pointing out that I was losing it would have killed me, literally. I went to a family counselor, hypnotherapist and psychiatrist. I practiced breathing properly, tried self-hypnosis, discussed my relationship to my wife and mother and whether my father had been a strong enough role model for me. Things got better. I once remember making it through a whole week without a major attack. It was like winning a Nobel Prize.

Then in 1994, the fear came back almost as strong as ever. After five years of toughing it out, being a macho Texan who didn't need no stinking pills, I was through, flat on the canvas. So I read the best-seller "Listening to Prozac'' and asked my psychiatrist to prescribe the antidepressant. Although she had once suggested the drug, neither of us knew how astounding its effect would be. Within 10 days I was free of symptoms. I have not had a single panic attack since then.

I'm sure there are millions of people like me around the world, but we can't speak about it. Mental illness is still often thought of as something you or your parents did wrong.

What if we treated other illnesses like that? Suppose people with broken legs had to find a way to hide their casts for six weeks so that co-workers would trust them to do their jobs properly? What if heart surgeons had to be as discreet about their work as psychiatrists now must be? If we thought people came down with pneumonia because of a defect in their character? The whole concept is, well, nuts. I'm out of the closet and I feel better. I hope that we'll soon be able to drop the "mental" in front of mental illness and will stop being judge-mental about it. Perhaps some day a future presidential candidate's years of fighting depression or anxiety will be considered a mark of courage instead of something to be hidden.

Call me crazy, but I can dream, can't I?

Marrou is a news anchor at KENS-TV in San Antonio, Texas.


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Reprinted from Newsweek Magazine, 6/24/96
©1996, Newsweek
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I for one cannot diagnose J, and often find that people like Nora who do are more harmful to the cause. But what I can tell you is that manic depression or bipolar disorder is not uncommon. I cannot speak to how widespread it truly is, but lives are being ruined due to our inability to accept this disease.

It would not be unreasonable based upon the description of J's behavior to advise her to seek an opinion from a medical doctor as some of the classic traits are certainly present.

Your reaction to finding the medication seemed laced with anger toward the sterotypes. J's reaction worrying about being "crazy" is also fraught with a lack of understanding. This is the damage that someone like Nora can cause...a medical doctor can explain in physical terms what the disease involves. I am afraid that what Nora did will cause you and J to ignore what may be a real issue out of fear and societal ignorance.

I hope all works out for you Feanor. I really feel like you've been generous and courageous to share your family with us. I for one will miss this thread...not for the titillation, but the unique chance to understand your life to some extent, and for a bit more understanding on human frailty. It will certainly give me much to ponder as I move toward marriage. Thank you for your honesty...I hope I can learn from it.
 
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