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Cruiser vs. Sport

Gixxergirl1000 said:
Some of us have ridden cruisers (long enough/often enough to know that it wasn't fun), and some of us have had enough dates with cruiser riders to know that many of them don't have a lot of knowledge about riding... ;) Jes' sayin'...
I did not say all, and I did say I was painting with a broad brush! :p :laughing
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Touche :Port
 
I can not wait till I am able to get a little bit bigger of a bike, now. Especially after reading all the responses. I am surprised though at the amount of cruiser enthusiasts are on here. Watching the video posted makes me happy lol.
 
I have a dyna and a 600rr. I prefer my dyna any time of day. It's just what fits you.
 
For those considering modifying the bike to fit them better, it works best if you modify these parts in this order:

Seat first.

Then handle bars.

Then foot pegs if you'd like, or at the very least optimize the stock lever adjustments up or down.

Finally, the wind screen if you have/want one.
 
busjohn said:
Not really if actual purchase prices are taken into consideration. Can't speak for the "metrics" from Europe but the Big 4 brand metrics can be bought for thousands less than its' listed msrp. HD on the other hand, charges buyers full sticker prices pretty much all the time and even add dealer mark ups at time. Looking at value guides like KBB.Com, all major brands seem to loose about the same amount of money when compared to its' original msrp. With that said, the only accurate way to determine resale value is to know the actual purchase price when new vs. the actual re-sell used price. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any agency or resource that produce those data.
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Just from my personal research when looking into new and used metrics vs HD's, metrics lost much more resale value than HD's. For example, you can find a 2007 Yamaha V Star 1300 for under $5000. MSRP was about $10000. That's a 50% loss. An HD that's somewhat comparable to the V Star is the Softail Deluxe. For a 2007 you can find one for under $13000. MSRP was about $17000. That's about a 30% loss. Huge difference in resale value. Now, this isn't an official statistical evaluation. Just prices I pulled from want ads, craigslist, dealer's sales of used bikes, etc. But it would be pretty interesting if there were some sort of official study or resource that did something like that.

And the only HD dealer in the area that I know of that adds a dealer mark up was Eagle's Nest in Lathrop. I will never ever step foot in that place. What a bunch of thieves. I got my Road King from Dudley Perkins in SSF and got it UNDER msrp, plus tax, license, etc. The same exact bike at Eagle's Nest was msrp+tax+license+dealer set up+++++$2000 dealer markup! That added about $4000 to the msrp and got the salesman bs that "You'll find that we are the biggest retailer of Harley Davidson Motorcycles blah blah blah." Other HD dealers are fair with their prices so there's no need for me to make the trek all the way over there just to get reamed.
 
Jon0807 said:
Just from my personal research when looking into new and used metrics vs HD's, metrics lost much more resale value than HD's. For example, you can find a 2007 Yamaha V Star 1300 for under $5000. MSRP was about $10000. That's a 50% loss. An HD that's somewhat comparable to the V Star is the Softail Deluxe. For a 2007 you can find one for under $13000. MSRP was about $17000. That's about a 30% loss. Huge difference in resale value. Now, this isn't an official statistical evaluation. Just prices I pulled from want ads, craigslist, dealer's sales of used bikes, etc. But it would be pretty interesting if there were some sort of official study or resource that did something like that.

And the only HD dealer in the area that I know of that adds a dealer mark up was Eagle's Nest in Lathrop. I will never ever step foot in that place. What a bunch of thieves. I got my Road King from Dudley Perkins in SSF and got it UNDER msrp, plus tax, license, etc. The same exact bike at Eagle's Nest was msrp+tax+license+dealer set up+++++$2000 dealer markup! That added about $4000 to the msrp and got the salesman bs that "You'll find that we are the biggest retailer of Harley Davidson Motorcycles blah blah blah." Other HD dealers are fair with their prices so there's no need for me to make the trek all the way over there just to get reamed.
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I hear ya, I would like to see a resource that keeps track of actual purchase price when new vs. actual re-sell price for accuracy reasons. Basing it on MSRP alone is not accurate since we don't know if that bike was discounted, sold at the MSRP, or had dealer mark ups when new. Also when re-sold used, we don't know if the seller sold it for the asking price or less (more often than not, it's less). Speaking of the V-Star 1300, the current MSRP is $10,990 but it can be bought for thousands less like this brand new 2012 for $8500:

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2012-Yamaha-V-Star-1300-104004084

Or this one with an "Out The Door" price of $9,645:

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2012-Yamaha-V-Star-1300-103687328

Most dealerships don't advertise the huge discount but it's available during the wheeling and dealing stage pretty much all the time.
 
You're forgetting that something is only worth what someone will pay for it. I don't think there's any economic sense in believing a 2007 Harley being offered at $4000 under it's MSRP from five years ago (remember that a 2007 model was most likely bought in 2006) is even a remotely good price. I think you're crazy if you pay that and I can assure you I'm not the only one who believes that.
 
cuend said:
I had a Kawasaki Ninja 500 that I never really enjoyed riding. I now have a 1995 Yamaha Virago 250 that I don't want to stop riding. It is just so much more enjoyable to me. I just can't seem to figure out exactly what it is. Is it the style? Perhaps the power difference? Could it be the height? In any case I love riding it, and it is an awesome beginner bike. What do you think, Cruiser vs. Sport? I've noticed that most on here seem to favor the sport style though.
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I think it is different riding. I know I won't be happy riding an R6 on my last 600-mile yosemite-mono-lake trip. I know I'd hate to ride the Majesty on a racetract. Different bikes for different purposes. Perhaps your riding style suits the other bike more.
 
louemc said:
:thumbup There is a handful of members on BARF that speak my language, and make it a pleasure to be here (for me)....

Your in that handful...I'm thinking there are more...but, not putting it in print.
But I sure do like seeing it in print :thumbup
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I'm feelin' kinda ticklish and goose-bumpish all over. :teeth
 
Gixxergirl1000 said:
Some of us have ridden cruisers (long enough/often enough to know that it wasn't fun), and some of us have had enough dates with cruiser riders to know that many of them don't have a lot of knowledge about riding... ;) Jes' sayin'...
I did not say all, and I did say I was painting with a broad brush! :p :laughing
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Cruisers didn't exist until after WWII when a small segment of the motorcycling public decided they wanted to stand out from the crowd and do outrageous things. This, of course, included their motorcycles and thus, the chopper was born. And since they and their antics received a fair amount of press back then, their bikes, readily recognizable, became symbols of rebellion and being a "bad-ass". Eventually, various motorcycle manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon and started making their own "bad-ass" motorcycles. From a marketing standpoint, it was a good move. But, let's not forget that cruisers are a fashion statement and a weird deviation from what a good and proper motorcycle should be. It's style trumping function to appeal to the masses. No thanks.
 
My bmw is in repair right now. I rode my Yamaha Roadstar to the Junction yesterday and was passed by many sportbikes. I didn't mind. I enjoyed scrapping the floor board and got there no problem. Normally I would prefer the BMW to ride over Mt. Hamilton. However, the cruiser gave me an opportunity to ride a slow bike the best I could over the mountain. It is definitely different riding.
 
Corb said:
It does not matter what most preffer it maters what you like.

I ride whatever I ride because thats what I enjoy not because others think its cool :ride
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Absolutely ... ride what makes you :teeth

I had a run with a Harley.. enjoyed it, but I too like the spr0tbiles better..and that includes the tards too.. still sporty.. just more focus on a certain kind of sporty----ness.

Enjoy it.
 
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