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dirt bike recommendations

tonedeaf

have tires will ride
Joined
Dec 10, 2010
Location
Concord, CA
Moto(s)
'09 ZX6R, kdx200, '05 SV1000s
Name
Jack
So I just finished Kevin Anderson's dirt bike camp up at his ranch in Orland. AWESOME!! I had such a blast with my friend it was ridiculous. Since he didn't have any other camps scheduled for December, he was willing to take just me and my friend for a whole weekend! Imagine it.....me and my best mate, both 23, and new to dirt bikes but NOT new to riding two wheels fast :devil, the entire property to ourselves and the instructor, 5 different bikes to ride as we pleased....it was the greatest weekend of my life. He had a decent flat track oval, but mostly a maze of MX type stuff....berms of all sizes, jumps from tiny kickers all the way to 60 foot tabletops, everything from hard-pack clay to soft tilled soil, MAN it was epic :)

we tried out all of his bikes, and here are the memorable ones I rode:

-ttr125 four-strokes, bone stock
-ttr125 fours, race prepped (upside down forks, upgraded shocks, engines uncorked)
-125 two stroke Yamaha (STRAIGHT UP EVIL...)
-husaberg 501, one of the originals, from the first year they made them in the KTM factory
-DRZ-400

I thought I'd spend most of the weekend swapping around pretty evenly between all his bikes, to get a feel for them....not true. I tried them all out, gave them some good time, but I was basically married to that race-prepped 125f the whole time. I was far faster on it than any of his other bikes. WOW it is so fun to have a moto the size of a mountainbike, that I can throw around, jump in complete control, etc. When i got fast enough that the bike wouldn't pull me hard enough out of corners, I just started learning to go into the corner way too fast, and just whack the throttle and slide the rear end until I pointed out of that corner, dammit! That felt a hundred times faster than tip-toeing around on the husaberg 501. That thing is a fire-breathing monster. but even a 125 has enough power to drift around and all that. The drz-400 is super heavy and nicely-powered, I can see that being a good dual-sport, street legal. the 125 two stroke.............PURE EVIL. I have never been more frightened by a bike (or exhilarated in a good way!!). Now I understand all the talk about two-strokes.......and thinking of the old-days of motogp, a two-stroke 500 that makes over 200hp :wow that makes my stomach clench.

So now I really want a bike to go play in the dirt, I'm pretty positive I'm going to buy one in the next few months. On one hand, I'm thinking about a DRZ-400SM, all the caveats of that, blah blah......but on the important other hand, I'm thinking about pure-bred dirt only bikes :) I'm thinking about having something small and mean to go play at carnegie or other parks....

I liked the TTR125 with inverted forks. I could get really good on it. I'm worried about outgrowing it super fast though. I understand that any dirt bike will go as fast as my skill can make it go.....but if I was ripping around like that after only one weekend, I think I should get something a liiiittle more...advanced. I did NOT like how tall and heavy the larger bikes were....I don't want or need a gnarly 400/450. Kevin told me to stay away from 250f's though, because they are super expensive to maintain....is this true?? seems like it would be just the bike I'm looking for, two times the motor of the 125 I really liked, and that four-stroke power band. so much control! The other side of the coin....I could get a 125 smoker :devil:devil:devil If I learned to control that beast, I would be a freaking pro.

which would you get, in my position?
 
also, question about the big tall bikes.....now I'm watching a lot of pro MX vids on youtube, and I see guys riding 450's like they are kid-size 125's!! holy shit, when I was riding them, it felt like no amount of body english could adjust that thing when it was flying through the air, way too heavy, my jump was pretty much decided when i left the ramp...is this true for those guys?? I mean, when they do whips to scrub speed on a jump, if they are a little off-kilter or rotating too fast, can they muscle the bike mid-air, or are they just that good at shooting off the ramp at the perfect angle?

* or using the engine and brakes to adjust mid-air?
 
The size of a playbike (TTR et al) makes riding one in the dirt really fun for the first bunch of times you get dirty, and it's a great thing to return to occasionally for brushing up your skills. As a main dirtbike though, you may find it limiting pretty quickly. But a full size dirtbike can present a bunch of issues as well, especially if you are inseam challenged, like myself. I am a big fan of the Honda CRF230 and the Kawi KLX300 as decent compromises for the novice dirt rider. The KLX has more modern features, but the Honda is an air-cooled Honda, and short of throwing it off a cliff, you are unlikely to be able to kill it in your lifetime. Either one can be had clean and cheap on CL.
 
the size of a playbike (ttr et al) makes riding one in the dirt really fun for the first bunch of times you get dirty, and it's a great thing to return to occasionally for brushing up your skills. As a main dirtbike though, you may find it limiting pretty quickly. But a full size dirtbike can present a bunch of issues as well, especially if you are inseam challenged, like myself. I am a big fan of the honda crf230 and the kawi klx300 as decent compromises for the novice dirt rider. The klx has more modern features, but the honda is an air-cooled honda, and short of throwing it off a cliff, you are unlikely to be able to kill it in your lifetime. Either one can be had clean and cheap on cl.


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What Craig said - although a stock CRF230 is just as suspension-limited as a stock TTR125.

What is your budget, and what is your tolerance for maintenance? Bikes like the TTR125L and CRF230F require just semi-regular oil changes, and have screw-type valve adjusts for easy valve maintenance, which is certainly a plus. I do see 150Fs/TTR125s/CRF230s come up on CL with the suspension swaps done, now and then.

There are some mid-sized bikes meant for the intermediate rider, that hit (for me) a sweet spot between the teeny, budget trailies and the full-sized MX/enduro bikes. I have two, the KX100 and the CRF150R (the third being the KTM 105). The KX100 is the only one you can get green-sticker (if you get a pre-'03). I rode WoodsChick's 125 2T set up for woods riding, and I still found the KX100 to have a more pleasing powerband - a little less peaky, but still with a nice 2T hit.

Others can talk more about maintenace on the full-sized bikes, but FWIW, on my 150R (unicam race engine, similar basic design to the Honda 4T MX/enduros), I check the valves (shim-type) several times a year, replace the piston once a season, do engine/filter oil changes every two rides and tranny oil changes every four.
 
There's way more to dirt biking than riding around tracks. If you hook up with some BARFers at Carnegie or Hollister and you're on a TT125, well, you might have some trouble making it up some hills.

Don't limit yourself to what you rode at the school. Try to bum a ride on something else. A 250F is probably a good choice.

Of course, I always say get a KDX200/220. Because a 250T is not for beginners and I just can't bring myself to recommend a Euro-smoker (KTM 200 or Husky 125).
 
Whatever you buy, make sure it's green sticker or you will be limited where you can ride half the year.
 
get a ride on a KTM 200 and you will know pure offroad bliss.

Dont worry about the green sticker. Do you really want to ride Carnigie in June/July etc? No. You'll want to head up into the foothills where its 20 degrees cooler and some bit of moisture.
 
KTM 200 is a nice size (if you're not a big guy) but it's got a lot of power for a beginner and it comes on harder than a KDX200.

Stonyford, Georgetown, Foresthill, Pi Pi, etc. are where it's at for riding. The bay area places suck in comparison and really suck during no red sticker months.
 
ok guys, thanks for the advice! I think I've narrowed it down some. I think a TTR125 would be not enough suspension or engine for my idea of riding. But the size was perfect! I want something tiny. I think a 250f is bigger and heavier than I want, and 2-strokes aren't the kind of engine I want. If I was racing MX and I wanted the adrenalin rush of the power hit, and want to wrestle with a wild animal while launching off huge jumps, I'd for sure grab an RM250. But I want a small bike for training skills and doing both MX and trails. So I'm thinking......CRF150r! What I see in that thing is:

-inverted forks and real suspension
-more power than a TTR125
-short seat and 185lbs!!!
-more maintenance, but I like wrenches

Does this sound about right to you guys? hidden problems I should worry about? Can someone giving me a ballpark cost of maintenance each year, assuming I ride it medium intensity, once every week or two? Thanks again
 
See my comment about the maintenance I do, above. You can get a big-wheel 150R for a ridiculous price on CL these days... There were recalls for swingarm and camshaft on some 150Rs; you can run the VIN of the one you get by Yer Local Dealer to see if it needs it.

The 150R has a LOT more power than a TTR125. ;) It's the bike I wrench on most, and it's utterly, utterly worth it.

Bear in mind - it's red-sticker. You'll only be able to ride it at private tracks during green-sticker season.
 
The 150r big wheel might actually be a really good choice especially if you are concerned about seat height. You certainly step up the suspension if you'd like- Fox rear shock, Fork internals, plus exhaust systems. You can bling it all out with aftermarket wheels, etc. etc. You probably want to stay away from engine mods as more frequent top end maintenance will be required. The 150r can get around the track pretty fast with the right pilot. Here is an example http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/2747115444.html


See my comment about the maintenance I do, above. You can get a big-wheel 150R for a ridiculous price on CL these days... There were recalls for swingarm and camshaft on some 150Rs; you can run the VIN of the one you get by Yer Local Dealer to see if it needs it.

The 150R has a LOT more power than a TTR125. ;) It's the bike I wrench on most, and it's utterly, utterly worth it.

Bear in mind - it's red-sticker. You'll only be able to ride it at private tracks during green-sticker season.
 
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J/K. I think it could be a good idea to get something cheap and reliable so you can get some seat time and find out what you like to do best.
You can upgrade later if you haven't blown you wad.

Myself, I just like to go slow.
 
This is what I like to think of 250 ninja syndrome. :)

My advice is to get something (all the previous recommendations are great!) and ride the hell out of it for a season or two then upgrade as you wish. Dirt biking is by far the most fun I've ever had, I'm slow and I suck at riding lol
 
yz250f crashed it all the time, best ride of my life. I could barely barely tip toe one side. They can be had inexpensively and as long as its stock will last forever!
 
This is what I like to think of 250 ninja syndrome. :)

Heh, well put. I don't get it, why experienced street riders seek out kids dirt bikes.

The dirt bike market is fuxored. You want a friendly, reliable, low-maintenance engine, then you can choose from kids bikes with crap suspension. You want good suspension, then you can choose from race bikes with powerful, high-maintenance engines. Want the best of both?

Dirt biking is by far the most fun I've ever had, I'm slow and I suck at riding lol
My brother from another mother!
 
Best of the worlds.. IMHO

KLX250- (with heated grips.. :laughing )

I rode one during the sheet iron last year and HOT DAMN, I'm sold.

No fighting the bike, pick any line; deep ruts? No problem.. deep water, no problem..

People stuck in the middle of an muddy uphill corner going to the left??? No problem.. just ride up the wall..

Laughing too hard to hold up the bike? No problem, turn off the gas and lay it on it's side.. it easy to pick up and easier to start.. :laughing


Heh, well put. I don't get it, why experienced street riders seek out kids dirt bikes.

The dirt bike market is fuxored. You want a friendly, reliable, low-maintenance engine, then you can choose from kids bikes with crap suspension. You want good suspension, then you can choose from race bikes with powerful, high-maintenance engines. Want the best of both?


My brother from another mother!
 
A dual sport, seriously? Why pay a 50-90 pound weight penalty?

OP, if you can find one, XR250, not L. I know they are ancient but they work for grown-ups. Air-cooled Honduh so it will run forever.
 
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