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Due to my recent motorcycle "performance award", I'm just curious of what BARF think?

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John2023

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Should citation fine be based on personal income, salaries and/or tax bracket?

My motorcycle speeding fine was around $500 so that' can be a nice chunk of change for most of us average medium earners. However, for the super wealthy folks, their daily meals probably cost more than that. The Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos of the world probably lose more money just taking a piss.

Saw this article so just wondering if that $250 ticket is enough to deter a millionaire from repeating the same violation over and over again? I say NO!

Browns star Myles Garrett cited for speeding, driving 100 mph after preseason game vs. Panthers Myles Garrett was pulled over shortly after the Browns had returned home from their game against the Panthers on Friday. He was hit with a $250 ticket, and he can pay it without going to court. This is the eighth time that Garrett has been cited for speeding in Cleveland since the Browns first selected him with the No. 1 overall pick in 2017. Garrett also flipped his Porsche in 2022 while speeding before swerving to avoid an animal.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/breaki...ter-preseason-game-vs-panthers-234019762.html
 
John2023 said:
Saw this article so just wondering if that $250 ticket is enough to deter a millionaire from repeating the same violation over and over again?
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No, but doing it enough to have their license removed and their vehicle seized typically is.

Not just a fine, it's points on a record, points which accumulate, and take time (a long time) to remove.

So it's a two tiered system.

I don't know what would happen to someone who is repeatedly pulled over and operating a vehicle without a license. I imagine it's still an infraction, I don't think they can be arrested or charged with anything. But I'm not sure.

But, anyway, even wealthy people don't enjoy engaging with the justice system.
 
The wages in the LA and Bay areas have made life a lot harder on every lower income earner in the state, various popular hot spots across the country, and even into other countries. The ticket is only a problem because of the other problem.
 
I make decent $$, but $500 is still something. Worse of course, is one’s driving record and possible rise of insurance costs. Try to get a CCW with too many tickets on your record. It’s a thing.
Worse is indigent people who don’t pay. They are never arrested or held accountable, and every once in a while politicians propose that all thes poor people’s tickets get forgiven. Tickets in this state, CA, are a tax on the middle class. .
 
cool stuff!
The Swiss are not alone. Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries all issue punishments based on a person’s wealth. The recent fine isn’t even a record in Switzerland. In 2010, a millionaire Ferrari driver got a ticket equal to about $290,000 for speeding in the eastern canton of St. Gallen.
 
Butch said:
cool stuff!
The Swiss are not alone. Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries all issue punishments based on a person’s wealth. The recent fine isn’t even a record in Switzerland. In 2010, a millionaire Ferrari driver got a ticket equal to about $290,000 for speeding in the eastern canton of St. Gallen.
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When I rode the Centopassi in 2006 there was a competitor from Monaco riding the first 990 Super Duke I ever saw. He was definitely a high income guy. Blasting through some French village garnered him a fine somewhere in the vicinity of 5000 Euros based on the violation and his income.
 
If the modest delta in tire prices is bothersome, check out the cost of crashing (sliding, tumbling or into a fixed object) v. not crashing. The best deal quickly reveals itself...
 
John2023 said:
Should citation fine be based on personal income, salaries and/or tax bracket?
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I have been pondering this for a couple days... and I keep saying no and then trying to justify it to say yes.

If some rich guy is a cereal speeder then I can say yeah, bump his shit for that, but on just a regular basis I am sticking with no.
 
PTRAP

For a flat fee of $5000 annually, you can drive however you like- as long as no one gets hurt. Line forms to the rear...
 
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According to the Great Goog:
The offense of driving without a valid license is outlined in California Vehicle Code § 12500(a) and is considered a "wobbler," meaning it can be charged as either a misdemeanor or an infraction.
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It went on to say that as a misdemeanor you could draw 6 months in jail and $1000 fine. So, yeah, it’ll catch up with you.
 
The problem with income based fines is it adds a burdensome layer of bureaucracy to the system. Gross income, net income, dependents, percentage of your housing costs of your income, blah, blah, blah. What happens to the divorced guy who makes $150k/year but lives in a small apartment because he pays alimony, health insurance, school tuition and child support?
 
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