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EBike Bicycle do you have one?

AbsolutEnduser said:
don't see how that relates, since that the incident, nor most other incidents quoted in news papers , DIDN'T happen on private property...

that's... a loophole, that's out of the loop!


if you want more OHVs, be my guest, go do them (private land?)

the proper way is, IMO-- for kids to ride bicycles , you know, and not--knowingly purchased, supermotos with street tires that do 55-60mph . :(

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anyway I'm concentrating on the fact that the "ebikes" word is eevil and most if not all of those should be called emotorcycles.
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I bought one a few years ago when REI realized that they had overshot the mark in product planning, and that they were blowing them out. Mine could be called a shopping bike, and that's exactly what I use it for. This shot was of my bike on BART on Tuesday when I was taking it grocery shopping. I like to shop at Winco, and I catch BART about a mile from my home, then ride BART out to Pittsburg, then ride to the store, shop, and return.

Mine is a Class 1, meaning that if I don't pedal, it doesn't help. No throttle. No, it's not an emotorcycle. It's heavier than I'd like it to be, but for my use case it works pretty well.
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I see more and more kids / teenagers on various types of e-bikes that don't have pedals. Recently a couple of young teens - boy driver, girl pillion, hauling ass through our condominium complex. Cutting blind turns at speed (most streets here are 90degree blind turns), with - maybe you have guessed it - no helmets! Girl is giggling up a storm of course. I hope I don't get to scrape their grey matter up one of these days.

I see more and more packs of them on city streets here in San Jose. No plates, some with lights, some without, doing wheelies, standing on the seat while doing a wheelie etc. Streets like Coleman Avenue, which is always packed with cars. Sheesh.
 
My son has a Specialized Globe that the lucky fucker won at a work function a couple of years ago. Work being Specialized Bicycle prototype machine shop at the mothership in Morgan Hill. To be fully truthful, he won the Globe Haul LT, which is a long wheelbase model. He sold it shortly thereafter for (of course, duh) a handsome profit and the ST model at his rather generous discount. Dick. I need to charge him more for rent.

He has quite the fleet in his spare bedroom / bike garage.
 
900ss said:
I see more and more kids / teenagers on various types of e-bikes that don't have pedals. Recently a couple of young teens - boy driver, girl pillion, hauling ass through our condominium complex. Cutting blind turns at speed (most streets here are 90degree blind turns), with - maybe you have guessed it - no helmets! Girl is giggling up a storm of course. I hope I don't get to scrape their grey matter up one of these days.

I see more and more packs of them on city streets here in San Jose. No plates, some with lights, some without, doing wheelies, standing on the seat while doing a wheelie etc. Streets like Coleman Avenue, which is always packed with cars. Sheesh.
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They're called 'motorcycles'. Calling them e-bikes is misleading and makes them seem far less than they actually are.
 
The problem with calling pedal-less ebikes as motorcycles, is it suggests they need to be far more heavily regulated and that when people ride them, they need to hang out with the cars, which everyone here knows is obvious quite unsafe. Also I don't like the potential implication that they need to be registered with the state and trackable with license plates, f that.

As long as they are traveling a reasonable speed (I dunno, less than 30 mph?) and staying off sidewalks, They should be allowed to use bike trails, bike lanes, and local open spaces.
 
Anything on the sidewalk faster than walking pace, lets go with the biggest issue, new moms with baby carriages.
Sidewalks are too narrow, for some double wide twinsies carriages, to pass abreast already.
A human powered kick scooter, is too fast, already, with any foot traffic to cause weaving thru the bodies, an issue.
Need more traffic lanes for different speeds of travel, better separation for safety, way more costly, for a simple E-machine added.
Taxed, and registered, to pay for all the new traffic lanes, simple, , ,
 
We deserve ways to autonomously get around that don't require permission from the state or include artifacts, like license plates, that are easily trackable by the spy cameras everywhere.

Bicycles are already not allowed on sidewalks, so there isn't a need for more laws here.
 
Interlude:

We're enjoying the hell out of our ebikes - The dog rides in the basket in the rear rack.
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They fit nicely on the back of the rig
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We keep them in the hotel room...

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mercurial said:
than 30 mph
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30 mph is literally not bicycle speed, lol, unless you’re an experienced sportsman, have a helmet , and know the limits of your cornering and brakes .

… which is why all the crashes have happened so far . Everyone probably didn’t know their brakes and cornering chances at their speed. Also some were twoup, unlike and experienced bicyclist

To add, the two old geezers I ride with on their Amazon e-bikes , rarely exceed 18 mph and are afraid of downhills .
 
mercurial said:
Bicycles are already not allowed on sidewalks,
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I absolutely saw four e-motor-bicycles on one of the (larger) sidewalks on San Francisco today, two rental and two others, passed me by in the few minutes I was walking around…

… with a green bicycle lane at the curb :facepalm

What I’m saying is, motoring, encourages such behavior
 
I must confess that SWMBO and I do ride on the Embarcadero sidewalks when the bike lines are nuts with traffic. Have a nice day.
 
mercurial said:
The problem with calling pedal-less ebikes as motorcycles, is it suggests they need to be far more heavily regulated and that when people ride them, they need to hang out with the cars, which everyone here knows is obvious quite unsafe. Also I don't like the potential implication that they need to be registered with the state and trackable with license plates, f that.

As long as they are traveling a reasonable speed (I dunno, less than 30 mph?) and staying off sidewalks, They should be allowed to use bike trails, bike lanes, and local open spaces.
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At 30 mph it's going too fast for the bike lane, though.

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One could make the argument that in much of SF, at least, even 20 is slightly too fast since many bike friendly streets have lights timed to hit a leisurely 10-15 mph.

I'd be more than fine with a lower-powered ebike in the bike lane, since 20 is mildly faster than the system was designed for, but 25+ are crashes waiting to happen IMO
 
I wasn't aware that SF now has lights timed to 10-15 mph, but that's an interesting mechanism for creating safe speed bike-oriented traffic control. And that can work to keep speeds down, regardless of what an e-bike is ultimately capable of.

Fit road bikers routinely cruise around 25 mph, so you wouldn't want to make an electric bike that, in certain context of usage, is actually less capable than an analog one. I have experienced that before riding a flow-trail on an e-mtb that cut power once you exceeded a set mph, and it was incredibly annoying. Maybe the real answer is some kind of power assist taper where the motor slowly reduces assistance, the faster you go.
 
900ss said:
I must confess that SWMBO and I do ride on the Embarcadero sidewalks when the bike lines are nuts with traffic. Have a nice day.
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There ya go.

I whipped a manual ride on the bike lane of the Embarcadero for ya yesterday.

Did I see you? I saw two older people man and woman, riding an ebike on the sidewalk.


justanotherg20 said:
One could make the argument that in much of SF, at least, even 20 is slightly too fast
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SF actually has more than a handful of blocks that are 20 mph speed limit... So limiting e-motorbicycles to 20 mph seems sensible or logical


justanotherg20 said:
I'd be more than fine with a lower-powered ebike in the bike lane
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I figured out what's the problem; I think many e-bikes' riders mess up the bicycle lane , and disrupt the flow of traffic ..

...not the least, passing a bicyclist with the throttle , then going in front of them and hitting the brake. Last time that happened, I even saw the brake light on that lady's emotorbike
 
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