fix it ticket question!

[Roadrash650]

My question is simple: Can I fight a fix it ticket? how can it be done?

A little background for my question...


The last two weeks or three weeks i've been getting a lot of fix it tickets. most of these tickets are duplicates given by mostly chp and SMSO deputies even after I SHOW THEM THE TICKET WHICH BY THE WAY HASNT COME DUE YET. Now, the response i got from the Deputy (who by the way was a huge acehole and calling her rude would be an understatement) was, "well obviously you must not be taking these seriously so..." and then i get another fix it ticket for the same thing.

Why the hell are these cops being such fawk heads lately? especially because im not even giving them attitude. in fact i never give cops attitude!

So what's the point of having a due date for when your fix it ticket must be taken care of if it doesn't have any significance because apparently you can get a another ticket for the same thing?

Lastly, I was wondering if any LEO knew the CVC that says if it's not "stock" or came on the bike you can be cited for it?

I understand that some people will feel the need to leave sarcastic responses as they do in almost every thread, but save yourself the time because no one cares and it's annoying. THANKS

Thank you all for your help!

 

[SLOWREX03]

what VC section(s) were you cited for?

 

[Roadrash650]

what VC section(s) were you cited for?

I was cited for...

on 3/11/09:
16028a

on 3/17/09:
5200b
16028a
24607a
26709a

on 4/4/09:
2500b
16028a (i think it's an "a" at the end, but it looks more like a backwards "s" or "5")
24951b
24601
***the deputy here was the acehole i was referring to...she scribbled "advised 24004 cvc + 40616 cvc" above the section where violations go. this is the part that surprises me. because i had the previous tickets on me and showed her that i've already been cited for those things she threw in that 2 for 1 special which says that i cant ride my bike until its in a safe working order or its a misdemeanor if i get caught again!*** next time i guess i won't try to be an honest helpful person haha god it pisses me off just thinking about her stupid face

lol and cops wonder why bikes frequently run from them... and its not just because they can

on 4/7/09
5200b

 

[Provenuts]

That sucks bro. I can understand them tracking down on mods but to write you up again for the same shit, that's wrong. Of course, you should put your shit back to stock and get it documented, picts, service station sign-off and prepare to show it to the judge.

Once you've received all your citation notices, schedule your arainment to have all dockets heard on the same calender(court date). Then politely tell the commissioner the facts as well as proof of correction and you should get everything reduce to single counts with a possible processing fee.

 

[corrupt]

Wow. Sometimes it sucks being 23 and on a bike doesn't it...

I'm really interested in what modifications are done to the bike that would warrant such attention. Any pictures?

 

[L-2]

Hello, L-2 hear (one of the old "Mines Road" Deputies if you've ever met me).

-People often believe, just because they have a citation for an item or items, the citation allows them to continue to operate or otherwise have the vehicle on the road until the due date on the citation. This is not true and a person ends up with several versions of the same charges.

The due date on the citation is one thing. It's not a permit to keep the vehicle out in public to that date.

It's all time and money, convenience and inconvenience, or what our priorities are. We all make our personal choices. In these cases, these choices will take time & money. It can also eventually result in the loss of driver's license and towing away a vehicle....more time & money.

-This is all time & money stuff. Please realize, in 2009, the fix-it ticket costs went up. The Traffic Courts in California now charge, once the charges are corrected, $25 per LINE ITEM. It's not just $10 for the entire cite which may have had 4 items on it. Now going to an arraignment to request a reduction on multiple cites and similar charges is possible. A traffic judge/commissioner can due almost anything, but this takes more time for you.

-I may or may not know this Deputy in your post. If it's the one others on BARF have mentioned (P. Sxdxxo), she may come on strong, but she's also been known to save someone's life CPR & defibrillator (AED) when the time comes. It's often hard to pull somebody over, give them a ticket, but still leave on pleasant terms. I try, but don't always succeed. It's kind of a weird business we're in.

-Also, remember the recent Oakland P.D. shootings. As cops, in the back of our heads, actually & hopefully not too far back, a simple fix-it-ticket-vehicle-stop can immediately turn into a life & death struggle or shoot out. That is or should be on every cop's mind on every stop. I do see some cops have trouble de-escalating their attitude or demeanor, and I'm sure I've been this way on various contacts, too. I agree, we don't have to be A.H.s. Some of us are sorry if we come off this way others don't care.

-Lastly, it's common, especially for sportbikes, to get a new bike, remove a few things like turn signals & mirrors, and put on a fender eliminator. Many times the old parts are already broken from crashes or falls, and the old parts are lost or thrown away. Eventually we pull over one of these bikes, and we later hear the rider's opinion on BARF. Maybe BARF needs a special Tech Day to get bikes put back to stock... IMO, The best thing is to immediately get it home or to a shop; fix it; then ride/drive it again once everything's fixed.

Owners' rationale:
-It looks better this way.
-It performs better this way.
-I bought it this way.
-I don't have the old parts.
-It will cost a lot of money to restore to stock.
-Cops should have better things to do and are picking on me for no good reason.
-I'm only a student.
-I don't have a job or enough/any money.
-Everybody else does it. What about that guy (as somebody rides by).
-These laws are stupid. (Yay, anarchy!)
-I'm only getting this ticket because I'm...white/black/asian/Hispanic/young/male/the cop's an A.H.
Any others I've forgotten or missed?

These are my opinions and feelings this evening and I'm sticking to them. If I ever pull you over, ticket or arrest you, you'll find I don't get into guilt trips are scoldings or attitudes. I'll do our business (ticket, tow, arrest, whatever) and move on to the next activity of the day. If everything goes right, we can only hope, due to our brief meeting, that both of us learned something that day.

 

[JPM]

For starters, the date on your ticket is the date you have to clear the ticket or go to court, not when you have to have the problem cited for corrected. So you can (And have) gotten multiple tickets for the same violation for not fixing the violation. You can also be cited and the ticket made non-correctable for failure or willful disregard to fix a violations.

 

[creed]

A quick google search revealed this:

16028A VC - Driving without proof of insurance.

5200b - You have been cited for failure to display your license plates on your vehicle (plate is too far back?)

24607a - Reflectors, every vehicle must have one, visible 350 to 100 ft. with upper beams.

26709a - Rear view mirror, required on all motor vehicles subject to registration; two on motor vehicle subject to Calif. registration, with one on lefthand side.

2500 - The provisions of this chapter shall apply to all licenses
issued by the Department of the California Highway Patrol unless the
particular provisions applicable to each license otherwise provide. (not sure what this means)

24951b - Turn signals required, passenger vehicles, trucks, truck tractors, buses manufactured and first registered after 1/1/58.

24601 - License plate light, render clearly visible from 50 feet.


Damn, Redwood City ? I live close to there and have a few of these violations present on my own bike

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

So by your reasoning - if you get a speeding ticket, and carry it with you, you can then continue to speed until your court date comes up? "But Officer - I've already been written up for speeding! You can't write me up again!"

When you get a fixit ticket it's smart to take care of the violation immediately so you no longer draw attention to yourself...

 

[Roadrash650]

So by your reasoning - if you get a speeding ticket, and carry it with you, you can then continue to speed until your court date comes up? "But Officer - I've already been written up for speeding! You can't write me up again!"

When you get a fixit ticket it's smart to take care of the violation immediately so you no longer draw attention to yourself...

a speeding ticket and a fix it ticket are two completely different things. in fact, if one gets a ticket for speeding (speeding is an action done by a person in a vehicle) and one gets a fix it ticket (you get these bad boys for something material or an object on or in a vehicle). And if i remember correctly- a speeding ticket and a fix it ticket are both citations, but a speeding ticket is an infraction (point of the driving record) and a fix it ticket is a notice or more P.C. a fix it ticket ...not the same thing at all

 

[Roadrash650]

Hello, L-2 hear (one of the old "Mines Road" Deputies if you've ever met me).

-People often believe, just because they have a citation for an item or items, the citation allows them to continue to operate or otherwise have the vehicle on the road until the due date on the citation. This is not true and a person ends up with several versions of the same charges.

The due date on the citation is one thing. It's not a permit to keep the vehicle out in public to that date.

It's all time and money, convenience and inconvenience, or what our priorities are. We all make our personal choices. In these cases, these choices will take time & money. It can also eventually result in the loss of driver's license and towing away a vehicle....more time & money.

-This is all time & money stuff. Please realize, in 2009, the fix-it ticket costs went up. The Traffic Courts in California now charge, once the charges are corrected, $25 per LINE ITEM. It's not just $10 for the entire cite which may have had 4 items on it. Now going to an arraignment to request a reduction on multiple cites and similar charges is possible. A traffic judge/commissioner can due almost anything, but this takes more time for you.

-I may or may not know this Deputy in your post. If it's the one others on BARF have mentioned (P. Sxdxxo), she may come on strong, but she's also been known to save someone's life CPR & defibrillator (AED) when the time comes. It's often hard to pull somebody over, give them a ticket, but still leave on pleasant terms. I try, but don't always succeed. It's kind of a weird business we're in.

-Also, remember the recent Oakland P.D. shootings. As cops, in the back of our heads, actually & hopefully not too far back, a simple fix-it-ticket-vehicle-stop can immediately turn into a life & death struggle or shoot out. That is or should be on every cop's mind on every stop. I do see some cops have trouble de-escalating their attitude or demeanor, and I'm sure I've been this way on various contacts, too. I agree, we don't have to be A.H.s. Some of us are sorry if we come off this way others don't care.

-Lastly, it's common, especially for sportbikes, to get a new bike, remove a few things like turn signals & mirrors, and put on a fender eliminator. Many times the old parts are already broken from crashes or falls, and the old parts are lost or thrown away. Eventually we pull over one of these bikes, and we later hear the rider's opinion on BARF. Maybe BARF needs a special Tech Day to get bikes put back to stock... IMO, The best thing is to immediately get it home or to a shop; fix it; then ride/drive it again once everything's fixed.

Owners' rationale:
-It looks better this way.
-It performs better this way.
-I bought it this way.
-I don't have the old parts.
-It will cost a lot of money to restore to stock.
-Cops should have better things to do and are picking on me for no good reason.
-I'm only a student.
-I don't have a job or enough/any money.
-Everybody else does it. What about that guy (as somebody rides by).
-These laws are stupid. (Yay, anarchy!)
-I'm only getting this ticket because I'm...white/black/asian/Hispanic/young/male/the cop's an A.H.
Any others I've forgotten or missed?

These are my opinions and feelings this evening and I'm sticking to them. If I ever pull you over, ticket or arrest you, you'll find I don't get into guilt trips are scoldings or attitudes. I'll do our business (ticket, tow, arrest, whatever) and move on to the next activity of the day. If everything goes right, we can only hope, due to our brief meeting, that both of us learned something that day.

Thank you for explaining this to me

I understand ya'll have jobs to do and you have to be fair, but there's a line that some officers cross when it comes to doing their job. in fact, when cops are being aceholes (unless the person deserves it because they are being the same way to them) straight from the get go of an initial contact with an individual they become Hippocrates! i understand if the person is being a D*** to them and they give em what they deserve, but doing it consciously or unconsciously from the initial contact with the person they're stopping is unprofessional at the very least. If they have a bad attitude then they should chose another line of work other than dealing with people.

I understand you shouldn't be driving until you fix those things, but realistically speaking if that's your only way around, or if your taking it to work to earn that paycheck that is going to fund your fix it tickets + the parts to fix it then yeah i think cops should cut some slack sometimes rather than make it more financially difficult on an individual especially when there are vehicles speeding past me, or drivers without licenses/ insurance on the road. What im trying to convey here is why pull someone over who's vehicle isn't as dangerous or that doesn't have the potential to inflict any harm than pull over that car or bike who's speeding that does have potential for harm... prioritize

 

[Roadrash650]

so does anyone know the cvc or pc that basically says that all parts on a vehicle must be stock/ from the manufacturer/ what came on the vehicle...?

 

[MikeyRocks]

There really isn't a code that requires everything to be stock, just make sure that any upgrades done on your bike are legal. Often times people don't exactly do their research on whether or not a specific modification is legal, and a citation turns into a learning experience. Most fender eliminators are not legal unless you attach some sort of a reflector somewhere on the rear of the bike. Most if not all modified exhaust are also not street legal. Just because people have them on and are not getting pulled over, doesn't mean it's legal. Trust me, I've learned that the hard way.

If I were you, I would just go ahead and put things back to stock. Cops seem to be citing people more often these days and writing them up for simple minor infractions. I guess with the economy in the sh!thole, they're trying to raise some revenue. Something you probably would have gotten away with three years ago is something you'd likely get a ticket for these days.

 

[johnparjr]

Memorial Weekend 3 yrs ago my 1st time up on 9 and saw I guy get a ticket from the sheriff for his plate then 3 miles later he got pulled by chp for the same thing saw his buddies at a gas station and they where all laughing at him because he gave the CHP attitude about the ticket he got 15 min ago from the Sheriff and the CHP told him thats another Dept and not his problem.

 

[JPM]

so does anyone know the cvc or pc that basically says that all parts on a vehicle must be stock/ from the manufacturer/ what came on the vehicle...?

There are different sections and it depends on what part is in question. I believe you are interested in the modified tail light assembly. Look at 26101 VC.

 

[Roadrash650]

There really isn't a code that requires everything to be stock, just make sure that any upgrades done on your bike are legal. Often times people don't exactly do their research on whether or not a specific modification is legal, and a citation turns into a learning experience. Most fender eliminators are not legal unless you attach some sort of a reflector somewhere on the rear of the bike. Most if not all modified exhaust are also not street legal. Just because people have them on and are not getting pulled over, doesn't mean it's legal. Trust me, I've learned that the hard way.

If I were you, I would just go ahead and put things back to stock. Cops seem to be citing people more often these days and writing them up for simple minor infractions. I guess with the economy in the sh!thole, they're trying to raise some revenue. Something you probably would have gotten away with three years ago is something you'd likely get a ticket for these days.

the reason i ask about the stock law is because its the second time a cop has told me that the basic rule of thumb/ law is that if its not from the manufacturer that it's not street legal or another way of putting it is: if the bike has any other part on it other than what came on it new than it's not street legal.

revenue from tickets/ citations goes solely into funding for P.O.S.T. if im not mistaken...

 

[Roadrash650]

There are different sections and it depends on what part is in question. I believe you are interested in the modified tail light assembly. Look at 26101 VC.

the reason i asked about the stock law is because its the second time a cop has told me that the basic rule of thumb/ law is that if its not from the manufacturer that it's not street legal or another way of putting it is: if the bike has any other part on it other than what came on it new than it's not street legal.

in my situation- they looked at the tail light, the blinkers, and other parts and told me that...

 

[JPM]

the reason i ask about the stock law is because its the second time a cop has told me that the basic rule of thumb/ law is that if its not from the manufacturer that it's not street legal or another way of putting it is: if the bike has any other part on it other than what came on it new than it's not street legal.

revenue from tickets/ citations goes solely into funding for P.O.S.T. if im not mistaken...

You are mistaken.

 

[JPM]

the reason i asked about the stock law is because its the second time a cop has told me that the basic rule of thumb/ law is that if its not from the manufacturer that it's not street legal or another way of putting it is: if the bike has any other part on it other than what came on it new than it's not street legal.

in my situation- they looked at the tail light, the blinkers, and other parts and told me that...

See above post about section 26101 VC, applies to tail lights, turn signals.

 

[SLOWREX03]

revenue from tickets/ citations goes solely into funding for P.O.S.T. if im not mistaken...

where do you come up with this stuff?