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For you group riders - How would you react to this CHP stop?

I would tell the cop that it was my last time riding with them, but I would not give names. I'm terrible with names. Plus, I don't really pay attention when people put helmets on, so it could be any number of people that were on that bike :dunno
No idea who that douchebag was, officer. Honestly he was making me feel unsafe when he started riding next to me a few miles back but I couldn't shake him without speeding or doing something stupid.
I sure hope you catch that asshole, but can I please go now?
 
Once I'm caught, my instinct with police (even when being arrested) has always been to be polite, respectful and cooperative... pretty much the opposite of how I am the rest of the time. Why make a bad situation worse? You want your cuffs loose or tight? :laughing
I figure most of them have earned their "attitudes" with all the shit they have to put up with... I don’t feel the need to add to it.
As far as traffic stops, over the years I've gotten more warnings than tickets.
 
I can see your point, Kind of like if everybody jumped off a bridge would you kind of thing.

I just know that the officer has the power in a situation like that and I would obey with a smile (cussing the officer out in my head). I have gotten out of many a ticket by being nice and respectful.
A step further- you want to be the guy the cop can barely remember talking to, ticket or not. When you get a court date- call & have it pushed out as many times as they will let you- so its 6 months or more before you go to court. You want his recollection so damn vague he hardly can remember- and has to refer to his notes to testify. If you're a dick, he will FOR SURE remember your ass. Don't overdue or underdue your behavior- blend in with the other 150- stops he'll make that month.
 
No idea who that douchebag was, officer. Honestly he was making me feel unsafe when he started riding next to me a few miles back but I couldn't shake him without speeding or doing something stupid.
I sure hope you catch that asshole, but can I please go now?
Too many words.
 
Reply to NorCalBusa...

A long time ago, I got pulled over for cutting through a gas station to avoid a red light. I went to court (after pushing it out) and the officer did not remember the stop. She had no notes so the ticket got thrown out.
 
Reply to NorCalBusa...

A long time ago, I got pulled over for cutting through a gas station to avoid a red light. I went to court (after pushing it out) and the officer did not remember the stop. She had no notes so the ticket got thrown out.
Yes sir- that's exactly my point. Shadowman for the win.
 
On a BARF Rally years ago a BARFer was pulled over by a CHP that tried to intimidate him (trying to say it was conspiracy / aiding and abbeting) into giving up the name of the rider that 'ran from me". No name was given, no actions were taken.

A million years ago I was invited by 5 riders to join their rides in the SC Mtns. I think one of the guys was named Kance Leigwin. The group made it clear to me that they considered the slowest rider as cop-bait / expendable. I politely turned down the offer.
 
There was a lot more to the story. She had me get out of my car (because I had a pool cue in a case that she thought was a shotgun :laughing). Then she proceeded to get in my car and turn the key to see how much gas I had in the tank (I told her that I stopped at the gas pump (which I did) and realized that I had no cash on me (which I didn't) but I fully intended to cut the parking lot I just did a brief stop to cover my butt just in case) . She even called for back-up. So, not a routine stop by any stretch but I kept my cool and just blended in as a normal person.
 
Honestly, it kinda doesn't matter if it's a completely legit traffic stop or if you think it's bullshit, or if it really is bullshit. Give them your ID and don't be a dick or try to 'play lawyer'.

I just don't understand anyone, biker or not, who refuses to hand over their ID.

Mind you, I'm a middle-aged white guy who's never had a really 'bad' experience with a LEO - others may have very different experiences.
 
That discounts all the videos out there of people asking for a higher-ranking officer who then tells the original cop to stfu.
Those are mostly the "auditor" types that are filming people in public.
99% of the traffic stop vids end with someone yelling "I know my rights! You can't arrest me!" while being arrested. :rofl
Very entertaining!
 
Mind you, I'm a middle-aged white guy who's never had a really 'bad' experience with a LEO - others may have very different experiences.
That is an INCREADILBY important caveat.

It's really difficult to both fiercely protect your 4th and 5th amendment rights while simultaneously giving SOME authorities the deference they seem to crave and require as they interpret their role in law enforcement.

I PERSONALLY would be more willing to oblige authorities willingly and eagerly if it were illegal for them to lie to me. Since its's not, I see a lot of value in taking the responsibility to protect and exercise the rights afforded to me by the United States Constitution.
 
Any LEO's in this thread (yes, I know there's a separate LEO thread)

What's the law in this situation - multiple riders behaving badly, some speed off, but one is caught? If the officer believes that he is part of that group, can she stop him for that? Or does she need to actually see him speeding, acting recklessly, etc.? Clearly the rider believed/said that since he hadn't done anything wrong, she had no right to pull him over or ask for his ID. But is he right?

FWIW, I can guarantee he was speeding, because...he's riding a nice little Kawi on a beautiful day like that. Of course he was speeding - we all would. Maybe not much, but...yeah, he was speeding.
 
It's really difficult to both fiercely protect your 4th and 5th amendment rights while simultaneously giving SOME authorities the deference they seem to crave and require as they interpret their role in law enforcement.

I PERSONALLY would be more willing to oblige authorities willingly and eagerly if it were illegal for them to lie to me. Since its's not, I see a lot of value in taking the responsibility to protect and exercise the rights afforded to me by the United States Constitution.
But the thing is, there's 'fiercely protecting your rights' and there's 'being a bit of a dick'. Someone might say this officer craved authority, but others might say she understandably expected some level of respect, as a police officer. In this case, I tend to think this biker was closer to being a dick.

Somewhat relatedly:

I'm originally from the UK, where we don't have a written constitution, and it's much vaguer - most people generally believe the government (no matter which party is in power) is going to follow certain norms. And for the most part they do. So the level of trust in government and the police etc. is much higher than it is here. If anyone here has lived for a period in another country, they may know that it's weird to live somewhere like the US where for lots of folks there is a "Don't trust the Government" feeling that pervades everything.

Since I've lived here (29 years), I've seen how much more aggressive people are about protecting their rights. But along with the written rights afforded under the Constitution, there are also unwritten 'responsibilities' that we have as good citizens - to be fair to others, for example. Too many folks focus on the rights and not the responsibilities. Not looking specifically at you, @Mike95060...

And as I noted before, if you're not a white male, you may understandably have less trust in the police.

Anyway, apologies for the off-topic post.
 
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Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority”

and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person”

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[generic meme format]

Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority”

and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person”

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That rings true to me.
 
The guy was an idiot. You are REQUIRED to present your drivers license any time you are pulled over for ANY reason.
 
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