Eldritch
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I am not mad at this thing so far.
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Gas Prices
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Well....secretly....between you and I....I'm not either. Secretly....I love the idea of ten dollar gas and beyond, well beyond. It will cause us to eat ourselves and this would please me. For now though, I will play my mass-aligned role of outrage.
Eldritch
is insensitive
I mean, not likely, not really, but it will hurt inflation. Horse farmers got fucked up when ICE took over, but the world trundled on. EV's will be the standard in another 25 years and ICE will be for weirdos into collectibles that are down to pay the $30 a gallon, but for the next decade or so, we really haven't figured out jet fuel, and that is a problem.
I priced out one of those things and have it kitted up like a real car and not a stripped EV lego toy. It was more like $35k, but that is pretty competitive with all the other new cars on the block, so it seems to fit right in if they are built worth a damn.
And that's fine for the long run, but what you're talking about is incredibly incremental. Electric cars have been around for nearly 200 years. In the handful of more recent attempts prior to tesla, nothing stuck. And since tesla, EV's made up something like 5-7% of all new cars sold before the credits in 2022, and now they're back to the same after the credits expired. One thing I've noticed after living for a while is, absolutely nothing happens anywhere near as fast as anyone thinks it's going to. Nowhere near. No. Where. If ever.
Anyway, our current issues could have been very easily avoided.....veeeeeery easily, and it's not incremental at all. Zero percent of this is incremental decay of a waning tech, whereas farmers/ICE was exactly that. Gas is nearly 2x in a very short period due to the whimsical ego of one person doing something that nobody wants. That's an aspect which puts a little fire in people's bellies. When the folks with nothing to lose can no longer feed themselves, they will turn to crime and take from the people that can feed themselves. Mmmmm completely unnecessary and easily avoidable class warfare is deliciously awesome. Maybe we'll find out just how tough those hairgel bmw mma puffers actually are.
Also, the base BYD Seagull is $8k. It's 75hp and maxes out at 80mph. Range is 190mi. Those modern versions of the 1979 civic are exactly what we should be mass producing, but culturally, americans are more of a thick forehead hummer type of people.
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Sharxfan
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I learned my lesson early and only use non-ethanol in my small engine stuff like weedeaters and they like had to replace too many carbs before I learned it though. Now they all last forever.
stangmx13
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It seems like one of the fastest way to get everyone to switch to more fuel efficient cars is to manufacture a war and oil crisis
.I don’t think there’s much incentive for US entities to sell cheap cars. Much of the economy seems to be going the same way - better to sell 1 expensive product at 10x the profit margin than 3 cheap products. China will eventually sell us some cars, especially since they own much of the battery tech. But that comes with other problems. And who knows if they’ll be cheap with the trade war bullshit.
augustiron
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Right, and at the same time remove incentives for EVs and remove higher fuel efficiency standards so manufacturers can ignore making more efficient cars and sell more brodozers and mega suvs
I will conjure this incredible prediction from my crystal ball:
Several more quarters of record profits for oil companies!!!
Great ROI on their bribes
I will conjure this incredible prediction from my crystal ball:
Several more quarters of record profits for oil companies!!!
Great ROI on their bribes
Mike95060
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As an avid cyclist who can get by on driving very little, me too.
Mike95060
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That level of cheap, reliable transportation is desperately needed in America. I would buy a vehicle that fits that description.
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All my "small stuff" such as seedeaters are electric, battery operated.
I have a very bad case of carbphobia for such small stuff.
But I use the clear (non-ethanol) stuff in my ICE motorcycles that I do not expect to ride for a long time.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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With people who have to pay for parking, bridges and gasoline, there are some who will lose money just buy driving to work every day.
-Don- Auburn, CA
Mike95060
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Me too. It absolutely sucks. Hopefully the economic hardships spur some desperately need change to our culture.
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Unfortunately, where I live there is no public transit and we're on a highway that doesn't have any real shoulder. I hope people are starting to car pool a bit. I have already noticed reduced traffic on my road.
I can only imagine how rough this is for people who commute 60 miles round trip to work to make $15 or $20 an hour.
Along the lines of liking ten dollar gas, I like that problem coming to a head just the same. The idea of blue collar workers shutting down obscenely overpriced cities, is beyond pleasing. What's funny is that-that's when the tightass hyper-individualists come out of the sewer and start crying for subsidies like good little hippies, when they can't find someone to clean their gold toilets. Until then it's always...meh fuck 'em.
GAJ
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Yeah, I can't wish even higher gas prices on my fellow citizens.
Between 48% and 67% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, depending on how different surveys define the term
Between 48% and 67% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, depending on how different surveys define the term
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For oil companies, whenever there is a major problem, their profits increase.
It's the only bussiness that I am aware of that looks forward to problems of any type.
GAJ
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Lots of old reliable battle worn cars around here.
Most, of course, are Japanese.
Friend of a friend just bought a 2002 Avalon with 150k miles on the clock so barely broken in!
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That's great. Not around here. There are hundreds of 19-20/hr folks at work and just about every car in the parking lot is 2015+. Though they all want to, nobody owns a home, presumably because there's just too big of a gap between a thrifty life + house, versus the new car life - house....but still.
Mike95060
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I hear you. I'm not pleased at anyone suffering either. IHMO The silver lining of economic pain should be changes to society. I think that can looks a lot of ways. Less consumerism, more union participation, more resources for shared needs like transportation, education and healthcare.
Frugality is wonderful. I think it only gets you so far against structural economic problems. (I'm looking at you healthcare) I think its wise to try to improve your situation from both ends. Be as frugal as you can and vote for your own, real, economic interests. I think for most of us that would be the opposite of what ultra wealthy promote.