Getting COVID doesn’t create immunity but a manufactured vaccine does?

[TWF]

How are you even on a motorcycle forum? You can't possibly be a real rider with that kind of viewpoint.

Probably rode in instead been strapped to the back of somebody

 

[pummel15871]

Probably rode in instead been strapped to the back of somebody

 

[GAJ]

Reality is now fantasy. Always interesting to see into the minds of vax-supremacists.

In your "reality" highly vaccinated areas of the Country/World are danger zones with packed ICUs and higher death rates than areas with lower vaccination rates.

Knock it off with the idiotic Elementary School insults.

 

[pummel15871]

In your "reality" highly vaccinated areas of the Country/World are danger zones with packed ICUs and higher death rates than areas with lower vaccination rates.

Knock it off with the idiotic Elementary School insults.

Never even alluded to any of what you just said above. I said the vaccinated are contributing to creating variants. Please point out where I said that the vaccinated are packing ICUs and have higher death rates, or are you just lying? You realize people can go back and read my last post and see that you're not telling the truth, right?

Saying "reality is now fantasy" would be quite advanced for an elementary school aged individual.

 

[tzrider]

The risk of side effects like myocarditis and blood clots? After months of claiming there are literally zero side effects to the shot (which would be a fucking miracle considering every single medical procedure carries the risk of side effects, including taking 200MG of ibuprofen for a headache), even CNN is now admitting that those side-effects are possible.

Risk of post-vaccine myocarditis: 2.13 cases per 100,000.

Risk of myocarditis after infection with COVID-19: 146 cases per 100,000.

Source

 

[pummel15871]

Risk of post-vaccine myocarditis: 2.13 cases per 100,000.

Risk of myocarditis after infection with COVID-19: 146 cases per 100,000.

Source

You sound like my friend who I go to the casino with. Over a typical weekend he'll put $5000 down on the craps table, typically don't pass/don't come with full odds on all numbers. One by one his numbers get hit and he loses all of his money. At the end of the weekend he always looks bewildered and goes "but I was the favorite, I should have won!" Every one of the people who are affected by myocarditis caused by vaccine did not think they would get it, and here they are. BTW, CDC says only 5476 deaths from COVID-19 in my age group. Therefore it's an easy decision at this point for me not to take the vaccine.

My miniscule risk of dying of a heart attack because I took a "vaccine" is more of a concern than my miniscule risk of saving an obese diabetics life because I was vaccinated.

 

[tzrider]

You sound like a guy who doesn't understand data and just reacts to his preconceptions.

 

[GAJ]

Never even alluded to any of what you just said above. I said the vaccinated are contributing to creating variants. Please point out where I said that the vaccinated are packing ICUs and have higher death rates, or are you just lying? You realize people can go back and read my last post and see that you're not telling the truth, right?

I'll let others decide.

Thanks to all the vaccinated people for allowing this virus to move from person to person freely, which is causing all of these new variants.

Vaccinated Bob carries and spreads the virus but doesn't know it because he has little to no symptoms.

Also, because he's vaccinated, he can go to work with the rest of the vaccinated people and spread it to them (who will also catch and spread the virus because, again, they have little to no symptoms).

Unvaccinated Mary gets the virus, stays home, and isolates with flu-like symptoms.

Only after recovering does she go back to her daily routine.

She spread the virus to nobody and therefore did not contribute to creating new variants.

 

[pummel15871]

You sound like a guy who doesn't understand data and just reacts to his preconceptions.

I could say the same about you. Explain to me in your own words why I should take an experimental treatment with a risk of heart attack and stroke for a virus which has killed only 5500 of my age group in two years?

I'll let others decide.

Thank you for proving that I said nothing about ICU and death rates and that you were lying. Typically I have to do the footwork but you did it for me.

 

[matty]

Risk of post-vaccine myocarditis: 2.13 cases per 100,000.

Risk of myocarditis after infection with COVID-19: 146 cases per 100,000.

Source

You beat me to it.

Also, it's the unvaccinated that give rise to mutations, because the virus has a longer period to mutate in it's host. This is particularly true with folks who have compromised immune systems because the virus can live a long time in someone with a weakened immune system. For example, in parts of Africa the number of vaccinated is relatively low, but the number of folks who are immunocompromised is pretty high (aids), this true in other countries with low vaccination rates.

 

[tzrider]

I could say the same about you.

No, you really couldn't.

Explain to me in your own words why I should take an experimental treatment with a risk of heart attack and stroke for a virus which has killed only 5500 of my age group in two years?

Because even now, it reduces the risk of you contracting and spreading the thing to others whom it affects more gravely. I know you don't give a shit and don't believe that's the case. You get to decide that and others get to decide that they're "done" with people like you.

 

[pummel15871]

Because even now, it reduces the risk of you contracting and spreading the thing to others whom it affects more gravely.

It's become quite clear that omicron has gotten rid of any benefits the vaccine previously had regarding transmission.

You get to decide that and others get to decide that they're "done" with people like you.

Great thing is we're all stuck on this planet together, and there's a whole side of "anti-vaxxers" that are "done" with "people like you." "People like you" have spent the last year advocating to have "people like me" fired from their jobs and barred from society for being uncertain about an experimental treatment with no long term testing.

 

[wilit]

Just popped in to give my recent account with the 'Rona.

Pretty sure I contracted it from my friend who was a late vaxxer, but had both Pfizer shots. I'm vaxxed with Pfizer and booster as are my wife and kid. I got sick first, then they got sick. We all tested positive. I'm also pretty sure I infected a friend who is also vaxxed and boosted.

My initial symptoms were pretty mild. I honestly thought they were seasonal allergies as my 3 antigen and 2 PCR tests in the first 4 days all came back negative. It wasn't until my wife got sick 6 days later that we tested again (antigen) and we all came up positive. My son also had pretty mild symptoms. Right now he's tested clear but has a nagging cough that sounds a lot like an asthma cough, though he doesn't have asthma. I have some residual effects. I lost my sense of taste and smell and have gotten some really bad heartburn from foods I could normally eat without issue. My wife got the worst initial symptoms. She got the standard flu-like symptoms and still isn't 100% 12 days after the first onset. She finally tested negative today. I got sick 1/18, my wife and son got sick 1/24, I tested positive on 1/24 with them. I tested clear on 1/31, they tested clear 2/4.

 

[Climber]

You know how to use Google, right? Try typing in "CNN myocarditis covid" and I'm guessing you might be able to find something.

I'm not going to do that, I have no fucking clue what article you're referring to, so when you make an assertion like that, provide a link. Otherwise you will be rightfully viewed as just spewing Fake News.

Finally, you're getting it! Your personal health is not my responsibility. Me existing is not affecting your health negatively. There's been plenty of time for the obese to lose weight, the smokers to stop smoking, and the malnutritioned to start eating better and taking vitamins during this pandemic. Anyone who still has 3+ comorbidities (the highest risk of dying from COVID) has nobody to blame but themselves.

People get old, but don't let that concern you, same with people with Type 1 diabetes, how dare they get born with a defect. You're probably fine with Eugenics.

I could say the same thing about you, taking an experimental medical treatment for a sickness with a 99%+ survival rate.

It's no longer considered 'experimental', but don't let that fact get in the way of your rhetoric.

Again, with your risk aversion being so extremely high, it's very unlikely that you ride a motorcycle or even venture out onto the freeway.

 

[Climber]

It's become quite clear that omicron has gotten rid of any benefits the vaccine previously had regarding transmission.

No, it just reduced the protection.

Also, you're glossing over the effects of the virus with vaccinated which is absolutely significant.

You really are quite lazy with your perspective, the vastly reduced impact of the virus among the vaccinated IS the major benefit.

 

[pummel15871]

Again, with your risk aversion being so extremely high, it's very unlikely that you ride a motorcycle or even venture out onto the freeway.

You ride an early 2000s dad bike, I don't think you're the right guy to be gatekeeping motorcycling. Enjoy your cross country trips not exceeding 65MPH in the right lane.

 

[pummel15871]

People get old, but don't let that concern you, same with people with Type 1 diabetes, how dare they get born with a defect. You're probably fine with Eugenics.

That is hilarious. You, who I'm almost certain would love if the government forced everyone to get vaccinated with experimental gene therapy, bringing up eugenics which the Nazis advocated for. You're projecting hard right now.

It's no longer considered 'experimental', but don't let that fact get in the way of your rhetoric.

It sure is experimental still. I've decided to be a part of the control group while you've decided to be a part of the experimental group.

 

[mikev]

Why the fuck is this dude allowed to continue posting here and flinging insults?

You already got one other thread locked and have been asked to stop with the stupid childish insults multiple times.

 

[Kurosaki]

And now this discussion is basically pointless.

Was it your goal to just come in here and upset the apple cart?

 

[Abacinator]

I just added the troll to my ignore list.