Gun Owners who Wear their Guns at Home?

[Dubbington]

Prepared for what? Preparation perhaps for a valid, or not, perceived threat?

You don't get this whole fear thing do you. It is an instinct and a motivator. It plays a roll in the decision of any person who chooses to carry.

Explain my previous post then, How's that fear?

It's preparedness motivated. I bought a $600 router table system so when I NEED it I have it and can do the job the right. I guess I have a fear that during a project I have access to the tool....I don't think it's because I'm afraid of wood

 

[Dubbington]

Yes, and the ones I know would admit it.

Well that settles it then, /thread. TZriders study is complete., thanks for the data. All 100% of firearm owners have firearms due to fear....because he's spoken to some Seals.

If you just posted that on page 1, that could have saved us all so much time.

 

[Kornholio]

Think an ex-navy seal who carries at home is carrying based on fear?

No. I think he's a robot who can't shut off.

I keep a gun next to my bed at night (in a safe) because you never know what might happen. Is that fear? While it's not what some might consider fear, it's still fear. Fearing the unknown and preparing for such is still fear.

 

[Wormwood]

No. It doesn't. Hell, some people carry out of sheer force of habit, like always having your keys and cell phone on you. Some people are just so used to carrying that literally no emotion enters into the equation.

You cant be serious. This is clearly a passionate subject but to imply that fear does not play a roll seems irrational.

The cop, the hunter, the gun store owner, the thug on the street, the hillbillies they all have a legitimate reason to carry. That legitimacy is rooted in fear.

 

[Kornholio]

Many of us sleep pretty hard. I used to sleep through 155mm artillery fire 20 feet from my tent. You think a burglar who actually has some skill is going to wake me up? Most likely, they'll get in and out without me knowing until the next day. Even then, why would I want a loaded firearm near me that they could grab and use against me. Hence my bedside table safe.

 

[tzrider]

Well that settles it then, /thread. TZriders study is complete., thanks for the data. All 100% of firearm owners have firearms due to fear....because he's spoken to some Seals.

Hey dude, you're the one who dragged Seals into this, thinking you might have a point.

Look, this discussion about fear isn't to emasculate you, no matter how you might feel about it. It's just part of the process of making a cost/benefit decision.

For some, they perceive little downside to carrying a gun in public or having it readily accessible at home. It's not that much of a decision. For others, there are definite pros and cons. To sort through them rationally, you kind of need to understand what you have to gain or lose, the likelihood of each scenario and the ultimate consequences of each scenario.

 

[Dubbington]

You cant be serious. This is clearly a passionate subject but to imply that fear does not play a roll seems irrational.

The cop, the hunter, the gun store owner, the thug on the street, the hillbillies they all have a legitimate reason to carry. That legitimacy is rooted in fear.

It bothers me when many can't own their feelings and opinions on subject matter.

If you're speaking about the masses, give some facts, data, rationalization.

You're nearly saying it's not rational because it's irrational. WTF, you're giving me nothing to support your point of view.

Those against carrying in the home or on the fear agenda cannot accept that some don't exhibit fear.

Like a baseball player standing up to bat against Aroldis Chapman of the reds, a pitcher capable is throwing 104mph. Is a pro batter gonna be afraid, no, would I, probably. It boils down to ones own comfort level.

A meth dealer living in Bend, Oregon probably carries in his trailer based on fear, that doesnt mean all that carry in their home do so based on fear.

 

[NorCalAthlete]

You cant be serious. This is clearly a passionate subject but to imply that fear does not play a roll seems irrational.

The cop, the hunter, the gun store owner, the thug on the street, the hillbillies they all have a legitimate reason to carry. That legitimacy is rooted in fear.

Completely serious. It may have started out rooted in fear, but for plenty it's more like what Kornholio said below:

No. I think he's a robot who can't shut off.

Things change over time. People's reasons for doing things change over time. I'm simply allowing for the possibility that fear is not always the answer to why someone carries. Others have pointed out that it's maybe because someone's breaking in a new holster, or trying out a new one. Some may carry at home to get used to the weight of the gun on their hip before an IPSC competition. None of these decisions have anything to do with fear, I merely added another suggestion. My point is that there are a lot of "this is 100% always true" blanket statements being thrown around, and I disagree with that. I think it's more like "60% of the time it works 100% of the time" in regards to fear and people carrying.

 

[NorCalAthlete]

Many of us sleep pretty hard. I used to sleep through 155mm artillery fire 20 feet from my tent. You think a burglar who actually has some skill is going to wake me up? Most likely, they'll get in and out without me knowing until the next day. Even then, why would I want a loaded firearm near me that they could grab and use against me. Hence my bedside table safe.

Funnily enough on a side anecdote, I slept through arty fire all the time. Now I wake up when it's too quiet. I can't sleep well with constant city noise but I can't sleep with 0 noise either. It's weird.

 

[Kornholio]

Those against carrying in the home or on the fear agenda cannot accept that some don't exhibit fear.

C'mon, Ryan. You're not serious, are you? Are you honestly suggesting that there isn't a situation in this world that you wouldn't show fear of. I find that extremely unlikely.

 

[Dubbington]

Hey dude, you're the one who dragged Seals into this, thinking you might have a point.

Look, this discussion about fear isn't to emasculate you, no matter how you might feel about it. It's just part of the process of making a cost/benefit decision.

For some, they perceive little downside to carrying a gun in public or having it readily accessible at home. It's not that much of a decision. For others, there are definite pros and cons. To sort through them rationally, you kind of need to understand what you have to gain or lose, the likelihood of each scenario and the ultimate consequences of each scenario.

Only one feeling emasculated is probably you since youre hell bent that it's 100% a fear thing. The fact that you cannot accept without any margin it's not fear is comical. It's not a black and white decision by all. Behavior is kinda my field so to say that one's behavior has the same foundation as someone displaying the same behavior is just being ignorant.

You should just say that if YOU were to carry in the home it would be based on fear. That would be a more correct statement. Generalizing is really infuriating. In converse, since you dont carry in your home, you're fearless, congrats!

 

[Kornholio]

Ok, now I'm convinced you're trying to turn this into a dick measuring contest.

 

[Mike95060]

Speaking of which Mike, last night, I'm grinding some Inlet Vanes, material is 17-4 stainless, H900 spec (44rc) with a tolerance of .0002 paralellism. I'm .0003 away from net size. They are dead flat/parallel. everything is tits, magnet is set as light as I can go. .0003 on the grinder (Chevalier automatic grinder). Walk away, and I hear the "tick", one of them moved (there were 9 on the table). I go over, and every one, has a faint brown stripe on it. Wheel clogged. I pulled them off, .002 out of parallel. I was shriveled up like I was swimming in ice cold water.

Those are the moments I look for a trash can to puke in. Such a nasty punch in the gut.

 

[carries an axe]

Ok, now I'm convinced you're trying to turn this into a dick measuring contest.

Where did you expect this was going to go

 

[Kornholio]

If not carrying a gun and/or admitting to actually being afraid of something makes you feel emasculated, I truly feel sorry for you.

 

[Kornholio]

Where did you expect this was going to go

True.

 

[Dubbington]

C'mon, Ryan. You're not serious, are you? Are you honestly suggesting that there isn't a situation in this world that you wouldn't show fear of. I find that extremely unlikely.

That's not what you quoted me saying at all.

I fucking hate big flying things and run and scream when I see them. This is regarding carrying a firearm on your person in your home. I don't feel that's rooted in fear. Why is that hard to accept? Can someone not be prepared? Is being prepared a fear based decision? If so then we get gas because we are afraid to run out of gas.

 

[Dubbington]

Ok, now I'm convinced you're trying to turn this into a dick measuring contest.

Not at all. I'm embarassed that adults in here cannot accept others decisons AND the general tone that 'no I am right and you are wrong'.

To say its a dick measuring contest is a cop out when one doesnt have the ability to either understand another's point of view or just refuses to listen.

 

[Kornholio]

That's not what you quoted me saying at all.

I fucking hate big flying things and run and scream when I see them. This is regarding carrying a firearm on your person in your home. I don't feel that's rooted in fear. Why is that hard to accept? Can someone not be prepared? Is being prepared a fear based decision? If so then we get gas because we are afraid to run out of gas.

I wouldn't agree that's necessarily rooted in fear either. Sorry for going off topic...it seemed like the discussion shifted to open carrying or even carrying at all in general.

Given my life experiences, to me, being prepared carries the notion that one is assuming something bad may actually happen. That in an of itself is still fear. Like I said earlier, fear of the unknown is still a fear.

 

[Wormwood]

Completely serious. It may have started out rooted in fear, but for plenty it's more like what Kornholio said below:



Things change over time. People's reasons for doing things change over time. I'm simply allowing for the possibility that fear is not always the answer to why someone carries. Others have pointed out that it's maybe because someone's breaking in a new holster, or trying out a new one. Some may carry at home to get used to the weight of the gun on their hip before an IPSC competition. None of these decisions have anything to do with fear, I merely added another suggestion. My point is that there are a lot of "this is 100% always true" blanket statements being thrown around, and I disagree with that. I think it's more like "60% of the time it works 100% of the time" in regards to fear and people carrying.

I too will allow for some exceptions. My blanket statement was based on the premise that we are talking about city folk (like you and me) making the decision to carry daily.

Fear is a tricky subject. Some folks have a visceral response to the idea they may indeed make decisions and take actions rooted in fear.