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Head-on crash w/ Acura car club doofas on Mt. Hamilton yesterday

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What size of near-inverted microscopic penis did this RSX fool think he was trying to prove he didn't have when he decided to pass members of his own club across a double-yellow, around a blind curve, and in the fog?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on a group ride (cage or bike), there's no shame in being last. The shame comes from arriving at your final destination in a body bag, or from getting one of your buddies (or a complete stranger on an R6) smashed to bits over your stupidity.

We have to look at ourselves, as well - when unjustifiably stupid displays of speed and situationally inappropriate foolishness are rewarded with applause and laughter, there will always be a noob or a self-esteem case willing to push the envelope for acceptance. I'm sure this guy was picturing himself bragging about his passing abilities and driving prowess at the next rally point as he was rudely awoken by the sound of crunching plastics and the smell of burnt rubber.

The cager deserves everything that's coming to him for his single moment of indiscretion. The R6 rider deserved nothing that he got, but everything that he's legally entitled to for having to suffer the result of this driver's blatant disregard for everyone else on the road.

I just hope that the driver owns his mistake, pays his dues, and becomes a better person for it. He better thank whatever god he believes in that he didn't kill one of our brothers - prison would not be the worst thing he would experience in the few days he would have remaining in this world....

To the other drivers from CRSX - thanks for the support. Take care out there, and police your own.




-Q!
 
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QuaiChangKane said:
He better thank whatever god he believes in that he didn't kill one of our brothers - prison would not be the worst thing he would experience in the few days he would have remaining in this world....
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Riiiiiiiight.


Round up the lynch mob eh?

Now head down this "what-if" path and figure out the consequences of what
"prison would not be the worst thing he would experience in the few days he would have remaining in this world...."
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would yield

Everyone else in this thread finished posturing and fluffing up their fur?


Good..
 
I am getting really mad about this. Last time it was cage vs. bike I got really mad and pulled a fr0ng. I have no intention of doing that now. I browsed the acura rsx site thread about the situation, and I am absolutely apalled at alot of the responses. I cannot for the life of me believe the comments about the CHP. I cannot believe that this is even a topic of conversation at this point in time. Crap happened, you had no CARB numbers, you got tickets. I wonder if it was a bike unit.

The absolute lack of remorse is insane. Almost every post says "glad everyone is ok and it wasnt worse". Tell that to the rider that is in the hospital, CLEARLY NOT OK. While the pissfuck that caused the whole thing is whining about nobody having pictures of the damage to his car.

My take isnt ALL bad. Alot of the guys on the cage board have really surprised me with what they have to say. That old subi thread turned into a REAL stink. Alot of the guys really displayed compassion and genuine intelligence. BUT. No matter what the situation, I would not be bitching about a ticket for my shitty, overpriced, next to worthless intake, when another motorsport enthusiast is rotting in the hospital. Do we even know if the leg was the extent of the injuries at this point?

Don't get mad, RSX guys, like I said, alot of you displayed sanity that I have found rare among cage enthusiasts...But some of those posts? Absolute horror. :(
 
I have read through this entire post and I might be missing something here - the cop ONLY gave out fix-it tickets (or speeding tix at the most)? No racing tix, or major moving violation type tix at all?!! If that's the case, what a load of crap!!!

The other bikers should have the cop's name and they should contact the supervisor of this cop and challenge the judgement of this cop!!! It works.

My brother had the entire police report changed for having contacted the supervisor. Please do it and get some justice going!
 
QuaiChangKane said:
Thanks, Mom.
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Yeah, I know I sounded a little pissy, sorry about singling your post out..

But people just go ape over things like this, the acura guys are reading this forum, we are reading the acura forum. Just seeing people get all up in arms, with name calling and possible ass-kickings thrown into the picnic basket, well it just keeps the flames going...

*shrug*

I guess I had this thread on my mind, riding home I thought to myself...wow...there sure are a lot of Acuras on the road...

I also wonder whether folks that ONLY drive really understand how fragile the guy on the motorcycle is, and even if they know how dangerous it is out there for folks on two wheels, they might not TRULY understand. Maybe after seeing this first hand, after a couple days it will sink in and more driving-only folks will realize how lucky everyone involved truly was...

(I myself didn't truly realize how exposed motorcyclists are until I started riding one, something like this might explain some of the responses on the board...)
 
hkwan said:
I have read through this entire post and I might be missing something here - the cop ONLY gave out fix-it tickets (or speeding tix at the most)? No racing tix, or major moving violation type tix at all?!! If that's the case, what a load of crap!!!

The other bikers should have the cop's name and they should contact the supervisor of this cop and challenge the judgement of this cop!!! It works.

My brother had the entire police report changed for having contacted the supervisor. Please do it and get some justice going!
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Looks like the guy that hit the rider got a reckless. Should be something drastically higher. I mean, is there such a thing as ATTEMPTED vehicular manslaughter? With the amount of head on collisions that are fatal to motorcyclists, and the GROSS negligence on the part of the cager, there has to be FAR harsher penalty for what this guy did.

Are there any BARFers that could possibly turn the rider onto very major legal action? I fully believe that there should be restitution, followed by a very large lawsuit here. This guy deserves to go to jail for the same amount of time that a DUI driver who injures someone does. The degree of negligence is comparable. I believe that is a felony. There has to be something in the legal system that will prosecute this guy criminally.
 
Lesbusa said:
I have to disagree. What I took from that site is that most people were pissed that they got tickets, some people were pissed that a good day was ruined, and a small amountof people expressed concern for the rider that was hit. Prior to the comments from Barfers, more people actually expressed concern for that driver that caused the accident than expressed concern for the rider who was hit. Most comments were of the "shit happens" and "unfortunate accident" variety. By whining about the incontinence of the tickets and bending over backwards to slap the backs of few guys who helped the rider rather than fleeing the scene, they confirmed rather than disproved the "ricer" stereotype to me.

And let�s face it, it's not a forgone conclusion that the rider is alright now or will ever be alright. He's alive and looking at a couple of months of pain and unknown years of recovery if he fully recovers at all. And don't assume that just because he's a victim that he will be able to get full compensation for his pain and suffering. My 0.02.
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I have to agree with you 100%. The driver's insurance will cover alot of hospital bills but sad fact is that;if the bills exceed his insurance limits the R6 rider will never be fully compensated for the bike/pain/suffering/lost wages etc. All the stupid m#### f***in driver will do is file for bankruptcy. He might also just get a slap in the wrist from the judge. This pisses me off because the R6 rider could have died:troy
 
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Just a bit irked, Valgar - but still don't want this to become an "Us vs. Them" issue. We have a hard enough time watching out for cars that just don't see us, all we need is a new group that's actually gunning for us...


On another Acura note, did anyone else get backed up on the upper deck of the bay bridge today due to the Acura vs. Caltrans truck accident around 10:00?

Glass across all 5 lanes, severely mangled Acura - Caltrans truck looked like they'd put it back to work...

-Q!
 
QuaiChangKane said:
Just a bit irked, Valgar - but still don't want this to become an "Us vs. Them" issue. We have a hard enough time watching out for cars that just don't see us, all we need is a new group that's actually gunning for us...


On another Acura note, did anyone else get backed up on the upper deck of the bay bridge today due to the Acura vs. Caltrans truck accident around 10:00?

Glass across all 5 lanes, severely mangled Acura - Caltrans truck looked like they'd put it back to work...

-Q!
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In all reality, that may have happened. I have seen alot of cars crash. My question to you, Mr.-I-don't-live-up-to-my-handle, is what the fuck does that have to do with anything? My MOTHER drives an acura, and very well at that, even with a long commute. Ever since I started riding, her driving got WORSE because she is constantly looking for motorcyclists. I have been backed up getting on the carquinez because of a rider down. Did I bitch? No. Did my wife? No. Did my daughter? Yes. But she was only 14 months old at the time, and doesnt really like being in the car. What are you trying to say with this?
 
After reading more of this thread...a dumbass is a dumbass! Weather in a car or a motorcycle.

I have no sympathy for the people who RACE cars or ride wheelies down a crowded freeway on a motorcycle!

When they get caught I hope the LAW nails them to the wall and beats the shit out of them!

Some may remember about 2 or 3 years ago. In Fremont an Acura racing another, T-Bone a Volvo. The mother and her two children did not survive!

This was not the only such incident. Thats why they passed laws and the BIG BAD Police are soooo mean to them. Side-shows and racing on the streets=you lose your car or bike!

Just a thought...the parents bought that kid the car and gave the money to modifiy it. I think they lost their house to the remaining family (Husband) member in the Volvo crash.
 
Oh, really. I think the injured biker can do some research (easily) and find the lawyer who represented the Volvo crash from years ago to represent him against that rice-boy.
 
Wraithrider said:
After reading more of this thread...a dumbass is a dumbass! Weather in a car or a motorcycle.

I have no sympathy for the people who RACE cars or ride wheelies down a crowded freeway on a motorcycle!

When they get caught I hope the LAW nails them to the wall and beats the shit out of them!

Some may remember about 2 or 3 years ago. In Fremont an Acura racing another, T-Bone a Volvo. The mother and her two children did not survive!

This was not the only such incident. Thats why they passed laws and the BIG BAD Police are soooo mean to them. Side-shows and racing on the streets=you lose your car or bike!

Just a thought...the parents bought that kid the car and gave the money to modifiy it. I think they lost their house to the remaining family (Husband) member in the Volvo crash.
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I agree. I rode about six times after I had the freakout and broke the double yellow in angwin. And I still insist that I wasnt over my head. But it became apparent to me, that if you want to get crazy and go all out, you need to buy a track bike. And I did. The problem with cagers, is that they dont buy track cars. And dont go to track days. My opinion? Less skill necessary. Any fuckwad can ream up and down a mountain road at a million miles per hour in a car. I can. I dont do it anymore, But I have. On two wheels? Much different story. I turned the hawk into damn near a showbike. Sold all my motor hop-up parts. Stickin with 52 horsepower and a good attitude on the street. Bought the fizzer4. Gettin it all out at the track. Hawk = to and from work, the occasional obnoxiously slow ride on public roads. Fizzer4 = 90% and a hardon at the track. The car guys? Way too much fucking ego. That is what all the rice shit is about. Street superiority.
 
as a 1/2 chinese 1/2 american born in Japan, 6'5" 250 lb somoan looking "RICE BOY", I take offense to that.

I dont really know why- cause you dont know me, and I know that you just dont know any better.

AND I KNOW you wouldnt call me "rice boy" to my face.
 
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Danski said:
as a 1/2 chinese 1/2 american born in Japan, 6'5" 250 lb somoan looking "RICE BOY", I take offense to that.

I dont really know why- cause you dont know me, and I know that you just dont know any better.

AND I KNOW you wouldnt call me "rice boy" to my face.
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Heh. I dont think anybody would. But then again. I took offense to a "Dago" reference here, regardless of the context, and didnt get any action. So don't expect much.
 
herpantes said:
Heh. I dont think anybody would. But then again. I took offense to a "Dago" reference here, regardless of the context, and didnt get any action. So don't expect much.
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yeah but thats different......................no just kidding!! :laughing
 
OK. reality check.

Someone took a car across the double yellow, in the fog, on a blind curve, and in so doing clobbered a bike going the other way.

The rider is alive, but badly injured. The bike is, well, scrap.

The car driver is persona non grata with not one but two motorsports clubs (the RSX guys won't have him, and it's a pretty safe bet that he won't be welcome here).

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Now, to those folks who are getting righteous and indignant at each other (fr0ng, this means you, so shaddap and pay attention) -- go and read the threads again.

Everyone agrees, the situation sucks, but they're glad the rider is alive, and they want the perpetrator to show up, own up, and pay up.

The fact that one group rides and the other drives is beside the point. So get off it already.

And I've done some 'spirited' driving before, back when I didn't own a bike but had a pretty pimpin' pickup truck. It's not something you just do. You gotta develop reflexes, or you'll end up in the ditch. You probably won't hurt as much as if you do the same thing on a bike... but the laws of phyisics ar pretty much the same for all self-powered machines on this planet, last I checked.

Best wishes to the downed rider, heal up bro'.

I hope the RSX guys get past this (crashes on group rides suck), and maybe, just maybe, we can learn to stop casting stinkeye at each other alright?

Wintermute, OaklandF4i: props to you two for representin'.
 
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