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helmet issues

moonchild

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I had my helmet sitting on top of a cabinet at work (I set it there everyday) and a co-worker knocked it off, by accident of course. It hit the floor striaght on top from a six foot height.
It was a brand new helmet (I wore it once, here to work). Should I get it inspected for problems, or just continue to wear it?
It is a shoei I bought at cycle gear if that makes a difference.
 
If you have a spare to wear, I'd send it in to Shoei and have it inspected. Six feet is a pretty long fall.
 
I would suggest sending/taking the helmet to be inspected before wearing it. Did it drop on carpet or a hard floor? I am not sure, but I think sending it to the manufacturer would be your best bet. I would think someone on BARF has some experience with this situation. I worry about my new Arai when I have it at work. It's always someone who doesn't ride that wants to pick it up and look at it. Good luck.
 
I had a similar situation happen to me.

However, my helmet took about half the fall (3 ft.) , onto conrete.

I sent it back to Arai, and they said the only problem was the little, scratch that the accident left behind. I guess, i came out lucky!

I would honestly, send it in to get it checked. It would suck if you take the chance, something happens (knock on wood), and you don't have the protection you were supposed to have.
 
Six feet is a long way to fall.

I put my helmet on the floor at work. It's pretty hard to fall off of the floor.
 
Same happened to me today.. not at work but on the way to work..

I had my helmet hooked on the handle bar and then got on the bike to straighten it up and there goes my helmet to the asphalt. Its an ICON so I am not sure where to send it to check its integrity. there are scratches on it but dont see any cracks...
 
While I know it can't be good for the helmet, but . . .

Does anyone have "First-hand knowledge" of a helmet getting fracked because it fell 3-4-5 feet, or is this an old squid tale?
 
Just remember not to use that part of the helmet when you crash. :twofinger


Honestly, I wouldn't care if it was me, and I'm pretty anal about my helmets. But I also don't sit my helmets so high up...motorcycle height or on the ground is pretty much it.
 
Send it to the manufacturer. Document everything. If the helmet is broken, inform your coworker as to the cost of the helmet, and explain that you wore it once. Bill them for the percentage of life that the helmet would have had left (1 ride out of 5 years of riding).
 
Accidents happen. It is foolish to put a helmet on a 6 foot high perch. You'll have to look at the situation more closely before you can say that it really is the friend's fault and they are monitarily responsible for replacing your helmet.

If he did it on purpose or if it was protected from all but the most pathological cases of accidental bumpage, then maybe you can bill him and feel good about it.

But next time please don't put your helmet up so high in places where people can knock it down.

You are in charge of keeping your gear out of trouble. You are responsible to determine if the gear has been damaged. You will be called on your responsibility the moment you use the helmet for its intended purpose.
 
The foam inside the helmet is designed to permanently compress once it takes a hit. during an accident, this impact comes from your head compressing against the padding on the inside of the helmet, which compresses against the foam, which presses against the inside of the outer shell, which is pressed against asphalt.

In order for a drop to affect the foam permanently, the drop would have to be from a height sigificant enough to distort the outer shell of the helmet. But there is still nothing inside the helmet to compress against, so it's not the same as taking a hit while wearing the helmet.

The bottom line is you never know for sure without sending the helmet in, but I would think that it would be pretty hard to damage the foam due to a drop without screwing up the finish pretty bad.
 
Take it back to cycle gear and exchange it they have a 30 day no hassle exchange policy get a diffrent one. Im sure they dont sell the helment once it's been worn the probably send them back
 
lol...agreed on the ethics comment. Which is what partly drives the cost of things higher.
 
Deucer said:
The foam inside the helmet is designed to permanently compress once it takes a hit. during an accident, this impact comes from your head compressing against the padding on the inside of the helmet, which compresses against the foam, which presses against the inside of the outer shell, which is pressed against asphalt.

In order for a drop to affect the foam permanently, the drop would have to be from a height sigificant enough to distort the outer shell of the helmet. But there is still nothing inside the helmet to compress against, so it's not the same as taking a hit while wearing the helmet.

The bottom line is you never know for sure without sending the helmet in, but I would think that it would be pretty hard to damage the foam due to a drop without screwing up the finish pretty bad.

+1, it most likely didn't affect anything, but it should be inspected inside and out. Even big impact damage is not usually very visible on the outside, though. Without a head mass in the helmet though, the actual impact energy is minimal within the working range of the shell or liner, especially if the surface it fell on was flat and carpteted. etc.

Here's from Snell:

Mishaps

If an empty helmet is dropped a few feet from a table top or the back of a bike onto a hard floor or pavement, the impact management is likely unaffected. The shell may be marred, even chipped but, in our experience, there would be no detectable effect in test results. Unless the manufacturer advises otherwise, one such simple fall is no reason to mistrust a helmet. Even so, such mishaps are to be avoided. Helmet damage is cumulative. A history of clumsy handling will destroy a crash helmet eventually.

Deliberate abuse is another matter. Crash helmets are inherently fragile, they protect by taking damage. An intemperate act may render a helmet useless. Anyone who abuses a helmet should be responsible to replace it.


Helmet Damage

Assessing impact damage is much more difficult. Cosmetic chips and dings start to appear on many helmets almost as soon as they’re taken out of the box but need not suggest degradation of protective capability. However, broad areas of deep parallel scratches and any broadly distributed pattern of cracks suggests some sort of head impact. If a Snell certified helmet has involved in head impact, it should be retired and replaced.

Sometimes, the impact managing liner of a crashed helmet will feel spongy to the touch. Particularly if it is made of expanded polystyrene (EPS). When the helmet shell strikes an impact surface, it stops moving immediately but the head inside the helmet remains in motion crushing the liner between itself and the inner surface of the helmet shell. As it is crushed, the liner applies controlled braking forces to the head slowing it to a relatively gentle stop. But it takes permanent damage doing so. This damage may be detectable. If an EPS liner feels spongy in some areas and firm in others, the liner has likely been compromised, the helmet should be retired and replaced.

Unfortunately, many helmets will not be visibly affected by impact. Some helmet shells will flex considerably without cracking or splitting. The crush damage to an EPS liner may be at the outer surface, just under the shell so that the inner surface remains deceptively firm. If the helmet was truly impacted, its capabilities have almost certainly been compromised and it should be replaced. Who ever was wearing it knows but there may be no practical way for anyone else to determine its condition conclusively.
 
I removed the inner liner to see the white foam material inside.. There were no cracks visible to the naked eye at the area of the impact. There are scratches on the outside though.
I have an ICON helmet and they are manufactured in Korea and I couldnt find a website for them. So where do i send it for inspection?
 
What does the manufacturer recommend? I seem to recall that a helmet should be sent in for inspection if it takes a fall from three feet or higher. Ya gotta ask yourself, is it worth taking the risk?
 
I would have your co-worker fork out a new helmet. It's only fair, if you wou;d have accidentaly stepped on his palm pilot or cell would he expect you to pay? As far as the icon site, it is rideicon.com. Good luck
 
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