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Help a Young Dog on Death Row find a home

I don't give up that easily.
There are other stories but I KNOW and saw this one unfold. I can effect a result that is better than yesterday.
That's all we are trying to do here. We can't save em all, I get it.
Change happens if everyone lights one candle...a two minute candle to start to the district 1 board of supervisors, Jeff Leopold. Write a letter. Hit their Facebook. Do something. I would for you or anyone if I knew it was wronged.
That's how change comes.

This is a government agency that can be sued. They have to answer to the people.


I won't stop until
1) Andrea Jordan loses her job. I have enough evidence in her own words to convict her of wilfull negligence and a conflict of interest to her job duties.

2). Make sure that future dogs don't continue to slip through the cracks.
These incidents aren't rampant, but they are isolated. If it helps save the next Marsh and that bitch is gone, it's the best I can do.
 
Daniela, from your daughter's email, I assume AJ = Andrea Jordan.
I'm just trying to get my facts and sequence of events straight before I start emailing people. Please feel free to correct anything I have gotten wrong.

Sequence of event ?

1. At 12:00, your daughter dropped Marsh off with AJ ( Andrea ) and had a conversation with her about how well Marsh was doing.
Your daughter leaves for work leaving Marsh in the kennel for ( not sure what ? ) reason.

2. AJ talks to previous owner sometime after your daughter left and learns that Marsh has escaped from previous owner 7 times.

3. At 2:45 an email was sent. To notify her that there was actions being taken against Marsh ?
Could your daughter have done anything if she had read the email immediately.

4. Sometimes after 2:45 ( I assume ) Marsh is put down. RIP.

5. At 4:30 your daughter reads the email and finds out Marsh had already been put down.


Facts ?

A. AJ has been the point of contact with your daughter at the shelter.

B. AJ has known that you are available to immediately take Marsh to

C. AJ was one who made the decision to put Marsh down ( shelter FB claims it was a group decision ).


I'm also going to message the people on Yelp with Rhino and direct them to this thread. Perhaps we can show a history of this behavior.
 
good luck trying to get interest from a tv station regarding one dog. I'm sorry but you have to prove a systemic problem, provide facts, figures and evidence. No-one is going to go after a shelter based on the story of one animal :(

Trust me, I have been in these trenches for over a year and a half now, fighting for shelter reform in Contra Costa County. I know what I am talking about

It's not just one animal though read their Yelp reviews they've pulled crap like this before and they just don't seem fit to work there. I get what you're saying I do but it's just weird to me(the shelters behavior)
 
Feel terrible about the pup (I would REALLY like a lab for hunting, but... :( ) and thinking about how the word "shelter" is so misused just gets me angry.


What MOST strikes me about this, is that I hope I never EVER have both Danni and Wendy pissed off at me at the same time.... Those "shelter" people are fucking doomed :thumbup
 
It's not just one animal though read their Yelp reviews they've pulled crap like this before and they just don't seem fit to work there. I get what you're saying I do but it's just weird to me(the shelters behavior)

I *KNOW* it isn't just one animal. What I am saying is unless you can provide a stack of evidence, facts, figures etc a tv station is not going to be interested

Dani, I know you have the smarts to do this :) Go git em.

Oh, and when the animal was surrendered, what was the surrender reason given? Seems odd that they conveniently called the surrendering party to inquire about stuff after your daughter had stated she would be back to adopt. Seems like it might be a deliberate attempt to discredit the dog to justify killing him.

You can't get access to the surrendering party information, that is not for public consumption. But you can ask for everything else:

Animal ID
Surrender Date
Surrender Form
Copies of all Behavior Evaluations
Copies of all Medical Records
Copies of all notes, memos as they relate to this dog

Good luck, stay focused. Facts. Period
 
I *KNOW* it isn't just one animal. What I am saying is unless you can provide a stack of evidence, facts, figures etc a tv station is not going to be interested

Dani, I know you have the smarts to do this :) Go git em.

Oh, and when the animal was surrendered, what was the surrender reason given? Seems odd that they conveniently called the surrendering party to inquire about stuff after your daughter had stated she would be back to adopt. Seems like it might be a deliberate attempt to discredit the dog to justify killing him.

You can't get access to the surrendering party information, that is not for public consumption. But you can ask for everything else:

Animal ID
Surrender Date
Surrender Form
Copies of all Behavior Evaluations
Copies of all Medical Records
Copies of all notes, memos as they relate to this dog

Good luck, stay focused. Facts. Period

From the first correspondence I was forwarded I saw a bizarre flexing of power.
" I know more than you, I'm in charge here, I can euthanize him." They are HER WORDS locked into an email.
I Totally agree that the last email which is totally devoid of the threat to euthanize, but rather a similar call to help like mine, was a ploy or smoke screen.
I can also believe that poor Marsh may have lost his mind when Sam returned him for what was to be the last time before his freedom. " I was so good out there. Why am I back here?" That kills me. I do know that they probably didn't know that I wasn't ever going to return that dog back to them once he got here. Truly it would have been right out of a movie if they sent my sheriffs to come get the dog back to take it back to the kill shelter.
The shelter thinks I don't have the information:
Ms Sobel has Pmd me stating that "we didn't seem to understand that the dog was NEVER up for adoption at the adoption shelter and we were NEVER to know about him.":laughing
ms Sobel doesn't seem to realize that we KNOW he wasn't up for adoption and were asking to rescue him anyway. One makes sense, the other seems senseless.
She has spewed Ms Jordan's expertise which in the vet town of Davis and a lifelong 24/7 relationship with animals, means squat to me. For Marsh, they truly lost sight of the goal.

These are the type of people that hit a ball then run around the outfield and to the toilet expecting be credited for a job that has a fairly simple and obvious line, in the case of a sweet loving dog with a severe separation issue.

If they can't handle separation issues then they need to contact people like me who can correct them for free. Such a bureaucratic mess to justify their salaries.
 
P.s. eVery single stray dog who is glued to my side has "stayed from its owner" numerous times. Isn't that why they end up a stray. or in other cases, in a shelter?

MiniMax was a stray.

It's incredible to me that instead of leaning on the VIDEOS we have of Marsh ( I wish someone would post for me), my daughters experience and beliefs, volunteers, and the credible experience of those who were willing to adopt, they put their lazy effort into contacting the previous owner whom Marsh was escaping from. brilliant!! and then made a snap call without informing my Daughter with any ounce of consideration for her concern and efforts.
 
So they just replied to my reply to their reply to my message
"The email was a day before looking for foster before new information was brought to our attention from previous owners."
 
Shelter directors are a different breed Dani, a different breed. Antioch Animal Services, the woman in charge, thinks I am after her job, that I want "her" shelter, and the new Director of Contra Costa Animal Services is "in it with me". She's fucking nuts. I don't want her job, I want her to do HER job and shelter animals, not kill and or abuse them.

Agreed on the "flexing of power". She has done that with everyone else who has challenged her (Antioch shelter) but now the feedback I am getting is that she is shitting herself. I bet she shit herself when I asked for the Controlled Substances Log that details all controlled substances administered, by Animal ID. What I am looking for is to find Animal ID's on that log, who were administered Sodium Pentobarbital to kill them, where she has said they have a "live outcome", as in Foster, or Rescued. I'm also asking her for the name of the rescue for every animal she says was rescued. See what she thinks of that lol

When you say you were asking to rescue him, are you a registered 501(c) 3? Because if you are it is illegal for them to refuse your rescue agency. Hayden's law *may* have been suspended, I can't tell, but read the link at the bottom here. Long read but worth it. If however you are not a 501 (c) 3, they have no obligation to adopt out a dog they deem unadoptable, even if they are full of shit and he is/was a great dog. They *MAY* adopt out under a waiver for behavior at their discretion, but no-one can force them to.

http://www.maddiesfund.org/hayden-law-update.htm
 
Yup.
Here is the bull. And my response.

Melanie Sobel:
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The shelter was negligent allowing your daughter, a volunteer, who has not (it appears) undergone the required "additional foster training" to take a dog, who was not (it would appear) available for general adoption on overnight visits to her home. That I find incredible. At CCAS volunteers aren't even allowed to walk Rescue Only dogs (although that might be changing under the new director)

If this dog was Rescue Only based on BEH/OBS and BEH/HIST I'd bloody well ask the shelter what the fuck they thought they were doing releasing this dog into your daughter's custody for sleepovers.

Unheard of. Absolutely unheard of.
 
Shelter directors are a different breed Dani, a different breed. Antioch Animal Services, the woman in charge, thinks I am after her job, that I want "her" shelter, and the new Director of Contra Costa Animal Services is "in it with me". She's fucking nuts. I don't want her job, I want her to do HER job and shelter animals, not kill and or abuse them.

Agreed on the "flexing of power". She has done that with everyone else who has challenged her (Antioch shelter) but now the feedback I am getting is that she is shitting herself. I bet she shit herself when I asked for the Controlled Substances Log that details all controlled substances administered, by Animal ID. What I am looking for is to find Animal ID's on that log, who were administered Sodium Pentobarbital to kill them, where she has said they have a "live outcome", as in Foster, or Rescued. I'm also asking her for the name of the rescue for every animal she says was rescued. See what she thinks of that lol

When you say you were asking to rescue him, are you a registered 501(c) 3? Because if you are it is illegal for them to refuse your rescue agency. Hayden's law *may* have been suspended, I can't tell, but read the link at the bottom here. Long read but worth it. If however you are not a 501 (c) 3, they have no obligation to adopt out a dog they deem unadoptable, even if they are full of shit and he is/was a great dog. They *MAY* adopt out under a waiver for behavior at their discretion, but no-one can force them to.

http://www.maddiesfund.org/hayden-law-update.htm

You are the best kind of Pit Bull. The best, Jerry, the best.
People in these authority positions do feel threatened and sometimes completely lose sight of the goal at some point. What is so easy becomes a big mess to justify their salaries.


Her email says. "Andrea Jordan decided to give the old owner a call yesterday ( why??? ) , who is Mexican and speaks no English so she translated for us. " This man had left Marsh at a kill shelter last month "but now had more information." "We killed him due to this information." The man explained that "the dog kept running away from his house even when they were there. Seven times. He even broke a fence to escape when the family was around " The Mexican man who had abandoned his dog to a kill shelter became the authority upon which they would base their "professional" decision to kill Marsh.
"


A child escapes from an abusive situation. Certainly, believe the abuser's perspective of the dysfunction and keep the child away from society! Then kill it!
 
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Got the same bullshit response as everyone else. Blasted them back that I had a right to express my opinion wherever i liked and they could pound sand.
 
The shelter was negligent allowing your daughter, a volunteer, who has not (it appears) undergone the required "additional foster training" to take a dog, who was not (it would appear) available for general adoption on overnight visits to her home. That I find incredible. At CCAS volunteers aren't even allowed to walk Rescue Only dogs (although that might be changing under the new director)

If this dog was Rescue Only based on BEH/OBS and BEH/HIST I'd bloody well ask the shelter what the fuck they thought they were doing releasing this dog into your daughter's custody for sleepovers.

Unheard of. Absolutely unheard of.

Now I am beyond lost if that becomes an issue because it is only going the wrong way.
I appreciate that they softened any stupid ass rules to allow this dog a real evaluation with an actual home and a competent handler.
I don't care who does the job if they are willing and capable.

I could give a rats ass about the fucking rules.

As I said, my plan the day he died was to simply get the dog out of Santa Cruz.
Illegal? In that stupid world. Necessary to get this done and over? Hell yeah
 
So I replied to their generic message



And this is what I got back .. more generic crap

" we cannot provide personal information within our shelter about our policies....blah blah .
So laughably ironic since she sent me the story about the Spanish man as an affirmative defense. :|. And also reveals that Andrea Jordan has a license to be a vet in Mexico. I should look into her visa and license as she isn't licensed here. Take the needle out of her hands if nothing else.
Daniela, from your daughter's email, I assume AJ = Andrea Jordan. Yes
I'm just trying to get my facts and sequence of events straight before I start emailing people. Please feel free to correct anything I have gotten wrong.
Sequence of event ?

1. At 12:00, your daughter dropped Marsh off with AJ ( Andrea ) and had a conversation with her about how well Marsh was doing.
Your daughter leaves for work leaving Marsh in the kennel for ( not sure what ? ) reason.

2. AJ talks to previous owner sometime after your daughter left and learns that Marsh has escaped from previous owner 7 times.

3. At 2:45 an email was sent. To notify her that there was actions being taken against Marsh ?
Could your daughter have done anything if she had read the email immediately.

4. Sometimes after 2:45 ( I assume ) Marsh is put down. RIP.

5. At 4:30 your daughter reads the email and finds out Marsh had already been put down.
As my daughters email states.m. You can fill in our conversation timeline in other posts. Sam also corresponded with other potential adopters.


Facts ?

A. AJ has been the point of contact with your daughter at the shelter.
Yes, From the emails I have read, they are generated from Andrea Jordan. Ben w was helping one day ( seems like a decent fellow?).

B. AJ has known that you are available to immediately take Marsh to
Yes. But according to my daughter they were not interested as I was out of county and they " legally own the dog." And not death, but riding in a car is very traumatizing!!

After the second email we again stepped up to offer continuing foster care under my supervision and liability. There was full knowledge that I was available willing

C. AJ was one who made the decision to put Marsh down ( shelter FB claims it was a group decision ). See Melanie Marshs email to me. Apparently, on a sudden whim, while my daughter had just dropped Marsh off and reported, Ms Jordan decided to call the original owner of the pup. She allegedly translated from Spanish to Ms Sobel what he said and based on what he said there was the group supervisor conclusion to euthanize from The Mexican mans expert translated testimony about the dog. According to the email, the Mexican man turned the dog into this shelter
. He did not want him back and wanted to suddenly provide more information about Marsh, previously unknown. Ms Jordan said that the man said that Marsh actually ran away from the man and his house 7 times, even with people present. He attempted to escape from him whenever there was an opportunity, even knocking down a fence. This new information from the mexican man who turned him in was sufficient expert testimony for ms Jordan to immediately euthanize him as unadoptable.
She even performed the euthanasia herself. Andrea Jordan felt this new expert testimony justified immediate euthanasia before my daughter returned to pick Marsh up and all experts agreed according to Ms Sobel.


I'm also going to message the people on Yelp with Rhino and direct them to this thread. Perhaps we can show a history of this behavior


Please give them my personal contact info.na call for me is soooo much easier and I am eager to hear their story.
 
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If they can't handle separation issues then they need to contact people like me who can correct them for free. Such a bureaucratic mess to justify their salaries.

You probably don't believe that she kills animals for fun. You may know this but after the rulings in the Dianne Whipple case, everything changed in CA shelters. The bar got raised very high for adoption out of fear that organizations would be sued into oblivion if they adopted out a dog that turned out to hurt someone.

At the time that case was in the news, my wife worked for the SF SPCA, a "no kill" shelter. I used quotes, not to imply that they are shady in that respect, but because they won't take in just any animal. If they have a known biter or the dog fails their temperament test, they won't take it in. This was always the case, but after the Whipple case, the bar for admission got much higher.

None of us want to think about it when an individual dog's life is on the line but the people who run those places have to consider protecting their organizations so they can continue successfully adopting at least some animals. You know you would take sole responsibility for an animal after adopting it, but they don't. It also doesn't eliminate the possibility that a third party could be injured by the animal, find out where you got it and sue the shelter for adopting it to you.

It sucks, but it's the other side of the reality the shelter has to manage.
 
That's really sad Andy. What happens to the animals that SF SPCA wont take in ? Owner just have to take them back ? I'm trying not to imagine what happens to animals that are no longer wanted and can't even be given away.
 
You probably don't believe that she kills animals for fun. You may know this but after the rulings in the Dianne Whipple case, everything changed in CA shelters. The bar got raised very high for adoption out of fear that organizations would be sued into oblivion if they adopted out a dog that turned out to hurt someone.

At the time that case was in the news, my wife worked for the SF SPCA, a "no kill" shelter. I used quotes, not to imply that they are shady in that respect, but because they won't take in just any animal. If they have a known biter or the dog fails their temperament test, they won't take it in. This was always the case, but after the Whipple case, the bar for admission got much higher.

None of us want to think about it when an individual dog's life is on the line but the people who run those places have to consider protecting their organizations so they can continue successfully adopting at least some animals. You know you would take sole responsibility for an animal after adopting it, but they don't. It also doesn't eliminate the possibility that a third party could be injured by the animal, find out where you got it and sue the shelter for adopting it to you.

It sucks, but it's the other side of the reality the shelter has to manage.

Of course. Most intelligent rational people understand and agree with most of this..in theory and to a degree in practice. But it still must be LAWFUL. iT still must be rational, reasonable, practicible, and not become hysterical and extreme. In other words, common sense must continue in the wake of any tragedy and law cannot be twisted to fit a new reality. The current laws still protect good dogs, define bad dogs and promote adoption. Laws can't used in conjecture of future actions, nor can they be broken to cover ones liability ass. " I won't serve a Muslim so he won't blow up my restaurant so I won't get sued."

Marsh had zero aggression issues. Zero. He was beyond friendly. He had "escape from bad/cruel owner issues" and "not wanting to be left behind when he loved someone" issues... And face licking issues. Hardly liabilities for anyone, and certainly not transferable liability when a new guardian is found like a severe biter would potentially be. Be cautious, get the proper liability insurance, but don't kill innocent dogs because of a few bad dogs.... no one could run an animal business effectively, legally or ethically with that kind of hysterically cautious approach. This shelter carries a one hundred million dollar liability policy for chris Sakes!! My animal business has much more individual liability and loss potential with only a two million dollar policy. Yet I'm not on paid salary with govt benefits killing good clients.
This act was in clear violation of very well spelled out animal law....both its spirit and its letter. Vicious is vicious. Dangerous is dangerous. There is NO law that allows a GOOD, non injured, non biting, non dangerous dog to be willfully killed by ANYONE: No individual or agency is allowed to judge ,jury and executioner of an innocent. A bad dog??? There are a ton of current codes that support that in due process.

So your point taken, but not the point here.
They literally killed Marsh based on face licking first, then after 18 more days in a cage, on pure here say of an owner who deposited / abandoned the dog willingly. " He kept trying to run away from me...he tried 7 times." Bad dog!! or good dog trying to escape a bad man?


I'm all for supporting an organization that follows law to euthanzize and promotes adopting good, sweet animals...but not judging law as to what is a PERFECT animal..or a perfect adopter for that matter... because , let's face it, perfect is relative. and that much power wherein life and death is concerned is way too much power for a non- judicial government agency.

Marsh didn't bite. Marsh didn't bark. Marsh -in their own emails-..sweet, kind. Lovable.
The issue here is that they ended a good dogs life, lost money adopting, spent money killing, traumatized all those who wanted him ......and still got paid a salary for it.
 
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