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Honda 750 Hornet

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This thread will probably include a rant or two. You have been warned.

First, I'm sharing this because I like Lamb Chop Rides' YouTube channel. He's enthusiastic, and he (generally) is not full of shit, unlike some of the moto channels on YouTube. Though he makes a couple comments in this video that led to eye rolling, they are the exception, not the rule.

Second, I'm sharing it because everything I've heard/read/seen about this bike looks very interesting.
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But I've also heard that Honda USA will not be importing it. Of course not. Why would Honda import an interesting bike when they can import boring ones? :mad My first street bike was a Honda, and I haven't owned one since, in part because either they haven't imported anything I liked, or I wasn't in the market at the time. I'd be inclined to buy one of these.

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I've already made the shift to lower power bikes. None of my current bikes makes more than 70 bhp at the wheel, so 90 sounds like an upgrade to me, but what I really like is that it's 190 kilos curb weight (lighter than any of my current bikes). That and a little more than average suspension travel (130mm at the front, 150mm at the rear). The combination of those characteristics leads me to believe that it would be quite a weapon on the types of roads I like.

Honda is apparently bringing in the another bike that shares this engine, the Transalp, and maybe I'll like the T/A better, but it still sucks that Honda USA won't bring it in.

For those of you who say, "Yeah, but it's a parallel twin, and all Hornets should be fours", I hear you, but I don't care. Making it a twin lowers both cost and weight, and it makes packaging for best performance easier too. The common factor between this and the old 599 Hornet is that for quite a while Honda didn't import that one either except when its sales success in Europe encouraged Honda to take a risk.
 
The Honda looks too much like the Suzuki...

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What a surprise when two bikes competing in the same segment look similar! I've never heard of such a thing!

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I remember when Honda used to innovate rather than imitate. :(

Oh well, at least the Zuk has 250 more cc's! :thumbup :laughing
 
Despite being to tall for it, I really enjoyed my 599. My perfect bike is under 1000cc, light and packing long travel suspension. The Hypermotard is damn close, and I friggin love it, but it is Italian, drinks fuel like a college student downs two buck chuck and it's not exactly cheap to maintain (until I get brave and learn to do my own valve adjustments on it). If Honda or Yamaha ever produced something similar I'd be intrigued,
 
Despite being to tall for it, I really enjoyed my 599. My perfect bike is under 1000cc, light and packing long travel suspension. The Hypermotard is damn close, and I friggin love it, but it is Italian, drinks fuel like a college student downs two buck chuck and it's not exactly cheap to maintain (until I get brave and learn to do my own valve adjustments on it). If Honda or Yamaha ever produced something similar I'd be intrigued,

I feel the same. I had an 1100 Hyper and loved it. I'm not saying this bike is a straight substitute for a Hyper, but it's a move in the right direction.
 
No. Brand new motor, ride by wire, already designed for Euro 5 and whatever comes after it, plus the story is they intend to import the Transalp with - wait for it - the same fucking motor.

FWIW, Euro 5 is more stringent than either EPA or CARB standards.

But ... they gotta run it through all the US and CARB testing and paperwork and approvals ... and get the dealers ready to support them ... and parts supplies on hand, etc etc ... they might do the math of how many they might sell, how much profit per unit, how much it cost them for the approvals and prep ... and decided it ain't worth it.
 
But ... they gotta run it through all the US and CARB testing and paperwork and approvals ... and get the dealers ready to support them ... and parts supplies on hand, etc etc ... they might do the math of how many they might sell, how much profit per unit, how much it cost them for the approvals and prep ... and decided it ain't worth it.

And yet, low volume Euro manufacturers do it all the time, which might explain why I keep buying Euro bikes. I guess if I wanted a cruiser or a side by side, Honda would want my business.
 
And yet, low volume Euro manufacturers do it all the time, which might explain why I keep buying Euro bikes. I guess if I wanted a cruiser or a side by side, Honda would want my business.

You can't just discount what usedtobefast said.

The economies of scale really do matter. Its big financial commitment for the U.S. distributor for a large volume OEM to support a particular model across a big dealer network. Very different from a low volume OEM which only has to support a very small number of dealers. Sell a few hundred of one MotoGuzzi model and thats a big deal. Sell a few hundred of a Honda model and its a disaster for the distributor and the dealers.

Seems odd that this would apply to a bike like the new Hornet but the large volume OEM distributors have been burned plenty of times and are understandably conservative.
 
You can't just discount what usedtobefast said.

The economies of scale really do matter. Its big financial commitment for the U.S. distributor for a large volume OEM to support a particular model across a big dealer network. Very different from a low volume OEM which only has to support a very small number of dealers. Sell a few hundred of one MotoGuzzi model and thats a big deal. Sell a few hundred of a Honda model and its a disaster for the distributor and the dealers.

Seems odd that this would apply to a bike like the new Hornet but the large volume OEM distributors have been burned plenty of times and are understandably conservative.

And yet, even Yamaha sells loads of the MT-07, Triumph the Trident and Tiger Sport 660, Kawasaki the Z650RS, and so on. None of them are low volume manufacturers.

The reviews I've seen on this bike almost universally rave about it. I looked at Hondapowersports site yesterday, and there's no sign of this or the new Transalp.
 
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