sf250gto
Zen
What are the options to jump start Monster 696? Battery access requires draining gas tank. Has a battery tender pig tail, and I am currently charging from car via this (slow).
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
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How To Jump Start Monster 696
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jimboFosho
New member
Push start possible?
joe blow
New member
Do the newer monsters have the gastank on a hinge still? I know with the older models, you can swivel the tank without any gas coming out (unless it will super topped off though). According to google, push start is best done in 2nd or 3rd gear with a little finesse.
sf250gto
Zen
No, they tried before I got here, it started and then cut out. since I arrived tried again nothing. Lights dim. He left parking light on all day.
ARB
New member
sf250gto
Zen
Thanks for all the advice. Put in storage at SJSU and he will hook it up to tender all day tomorrow. Tank was topped up preventing lifting. And there are no hills near campus.
ScottRNelson
Adventure and Dual Sport
Ultimately, you need positive to the starter motor and negative to anywhere on the frame or engine. I've started an ST2 by putting power to the engine side of the starter solenoid. You can go there or directly to the starter motor.
You could also drain some of the fuel from the tank.
I've forgotten that you had to raise the fuel tank on a Monster to get to the battery, and that it doesn't work so well when there is a lot of fuel in it. Still, if you have one person holding up the tank rather than trying to prop it up, you can still access the battery even when the tank is relatively full, if it's only raised long enough to jump start the bike.
That's still quite a bit easier than removing the lower body piece on an ST2 and bending the upper one out a bit to get to the battery. Or worse, taking the top section off to get the mid-section out of the way (if it hasn't been modified). Some bikes weren't designed for easy battery access.
I guess I should stop complaining about the four bolts I have to remove to get access to the battery on my KTM.
You could also drain some of the fuel from the tank.
I've forgotten that you had to raise the fuel tank on a Monster to get to the battery, and that it doesn't work so well when there is a lot of fuel in it. Still, if you have one person holding up the tank rather than trying to prop it up, you can still access the battery even when the tank is relatively full, if it's only raised long enough to jump start the bike.
That's still quite a bit easier than removing the lower body piece on an ST2 and bending the upper one out a bit to get to the battery. Or worse, taking the top section off to get the mid-section out of the way (if it hasn't been modified). Some bikes weren't designed for easy battery access.
I guess I should stop complaining about the four bolts I have to remove to get access to the battery on my KTM.
reidconti
New member
You can push-start it on flat ground. Fuck, I push-started my OWN 3000lb CAR one time.
Kids these days.
Kids these days.
ScottRNelson
Adventure and Dual Sport
I would love to see you push start a Monster on flat ground by yourself. Even the ones with the smaller engines like the 696. Unlike a car, when you let out the clutch in first gear the rear tire will just slide, so you need second gear and you need to be going about 5 mph to do that in second gear. And you need to be able to hop on the bike, bounce up, then down to get the extra traction while you let the clutch out. And you need to be going 5 mph at that point, not when you first try to hop on, so you have to have pushed it faster.
I would really like to see you push start ANY Monster on flat ground. I don't believe that you can do it. I challenge anybody to post a video proving me wrong.
Entoptic
Red Power!
Man up and push that bitch! Come on you don't need a hill to bump start a bike! Just put it in 2nd, pull the clutch and start running like mad! Release clutch and pull back in once bike starts.
PROFIT!
Ps I used to do this daily with my VFR and it took time tries to get it right but I can do it within 20 feet now. It's a good thing to know how to do if you get stuck somewhere.
ScottRNelson
Adventure and Dual Sport
Four-cylinder bikes are easier to push start than V-twins or singles. The bigger pistons take more effort to push through the compression stroke.
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
I've managed to push start a FZ6 on flat ground while sitting on it and kicking it along but as noted it's a 4 cylinder....I can get it going between 5-8 mph in 2nd.
I feel for you, my battery is UNDER the tank as well...whatever happened to just having it under the seat? I have pig-tail for the battery trickle charger.
I feel for you, my battery is UNDER the tank as well...whatever happened to just having it under the seat? I have pig-tail for the battery trickle charger.
Entoptic
Red Power!
I did the same thing with my Shadow for a few weeks. It was actually harder because of the low profile the bike had. I kept kicking the damn license plate that was on the side! You are right about the compression, what a bitch but once it gets going it kinda does the job for you.
reidconti
New member
I'm willing to buy this. I always push-started my CBR in 1st, but, as noted, it's of course a 4 cyl.
I'm willing to give it a go on someone else's Monster
Should be trivial with a helper, even if they know nothing about motorcycles.
I don't really recommend push-starting from the side. That's how I got my CBR going the first time I had to push it, as it was slightly uphill (would have been dangerous on this road to turn around and go slightly downhill).
The plan was to yank the clutch the second the bike started, and it worked -- however, as soon as the motor caught, the bike pulled away from me slightly, which tweaked the throttle a bit. I DID get the clutch in (running on the left side of the bike) but let's just say slowing a 400lb bike going 1mph faster than you are running, using nothing but your left wrist, ends up causing a bit of pain.
It was never broken or anything, but the wrist was strained, and stayed weak for quite awhile. Getting old is a bitch.
1st gear is ALWAYS going to be easier and require less pushing. I'd only use a higher gear if 1st causes the wheel to lock up. Even that should be manageable with a gentler clutch 'dump'.
black cx
Active member
yea i believe this too. holy fuck was that monster hard to push start. at first when there was only me and cooldude it was impossible. and then some of his classmates showed up and it was starting to turn over with four of us pushing but it was still no go.
Roadstergal
Sergeant Jackrum
FTFY. We were just talking this morning about what big honking pistons those have and how hard they are to just get moving.
One good thing about living in SSF vs. Mountain View - we live at the top of a hill that'll bump start any damn thing.
You weren't trying to start pushing it in gear with the clutch pulled, were you? Go to neutral, get a big head of speed, then shift to second (or for that thing, third) pop the clutch and bounce on the seat.