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I took out a dive bomber.

WFO

When in doubt, gas it!
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Santa Cruz Mountains
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'12 Ducati Multi, '10 KTM 690 Enduro R, '10 Husaberg FE570
Name
Gerhard
I was on my way home from work one Friday in August driving southbound on Highway 17 just past Camden Ave/San Tomas Expressway in a E-350 Ford van. I could see that the traffic was starting to back up in the usual spot by the percolation ponds and the pedestrian overcrossing. At this point there are three lanes of traffic. The two lanes on the right converge before the cloverleaf from 85 adds another lane. So, the left lane is backing up faster than the two right lanes that are about to converge. I move into the left lane to avoid the merging traffic in the two right lanes. I'm behind a lady driving a VW Golf. She has probably a good fifty yards of clear lane in front of her and I'm right on her tail because I have a feeling there's gonna be a dive bomber coming up on the right side. As we come up on the congested traffic in the right two lanes, sure enough some guy tries to dive bomb me. But there isn't enough room for him to squeeze in. I look over at him to my right, and give him the Oh, really - you gonna try that move? So he does, but I don't budge. (We're probably moving along at 10mph at this point.) He moves into my lane. I don't slow down. I take out his mirror, and then I can feel my front tire rubbing against his door. The look on his face is quite incredulous. The NASCAR tire donuts and dents on his door make me cringe. I'm kinda blown away as I didn't expect the damage to his car to be so extensive. At this point I'm wondering whether I just had a Y chromosome moment that I might regret. I figure If I don't pull over to exchange insurance info, I might get in trouble with a hit and run offense. Since he was quite agitated, I decided to call 911. I told the dispatcher what had happened and that I felt threatened. I told her I was willing to pull off of the freeway at the next exit which she said was a good idea. She said she would have CHP meet us.

So I get off the highway and pull into this trailer park entrance off of highway 9. I still have the 911 dispatcher on the phone. The guy pulls up next to me and says, "Why didn't you let me in? You didn't have to take out my mirror." I said, "Hey man, there clearly wasn't enough space for you; and the way I figure it, you crashed into me." He called me a liar. Then I showed him my phone and told him I had a CHP dispatcher on the line. Then he freaks out and does a three-point turn and starts to leave. The dispatcher tells me she can hear our conversation. I tell her I can get a picture of his license plate, and she encourages me to do so.

I then get out of my van to assess the damage. There's a dent about the size of a silver dollar on my front fender from where it hit this mirror, and some white paint (that will easily rub off) on it. The zip tie that I used to mickey-rig the plastic to the bumper is broken. Whoop-de-doo. I guess that's what happens when four tons runs into a ton and a half. I'm not too worried since the van is over twenty years old and has many other small dents and scrapes. It's just another battle scar.

I'd rather not deal with insurance and CHP reports, so I call the dispatcher back and ask her if I still need to wait around for the CHP to show up. She says yes. Damnit! All I really wanted to do was ram the guy and send him on his way. Now that the law is involved, I'm expecting this to snowball. The CHP shows up with two officers. I told them what happened. They seemed to find it somewhat amusing, but they're kinda playing devil's advocate. I give them the license number of the other car, and one of them goes back to the squad car. When he comes back, he asks me if I could positively identify the guy if shown a picture. I said I wasn't sure since I only got a few glimpses. He shows me a picture and the resemblance is uncanny. I asked him how he managed to produce that image so fast and he said he was good at his job. Then I told him, while the image looks like the guy, I couldn't be certain. Could I get a copy of the picture? Nope. They tell me that since the guy bolted, this is now a hit and run incident which will require further investigation. I told them that since the damage to my vehicle was minimal, I didn't really care. My biggest concern is that the guy may seek revenge if he finds out who I am and where I live. They tell me that he will get that information as part of the investigation unless I ask the CHP to redact the information once the police report is released which will be a minimum of eight days. They gave me a card with a QR code on it so I can check on the progress of their investigation.

It's funny - everyone I've talked to about this has shown approval of my actions. This reminds me of some of the fights I got into as a kid where I beat the crap out of someone (who may have deserved it) and then regretted it afterwards after seeing them ball their heads off. A motorcyclist who was splitting lanes even gave me a thumbs-up as he passed. I can't imagine what this guy's reaction was when he got home to see the damage to the rest of his car. I hope he isn't married.

I called my insurance lady, but it was too late in the day for her to answer. I said I didn't want to make a claim.

I read the police report. I think I'm in the clear. It says that the other guy violated VC 21658(A), a California traffic law that requires drivers on multi-lane roads to stay entirely within a single lane as nearly as practical and forbids changing lanes until it can be done with reasonable safety.
 
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Well... I am a fan and always want to be that dude that stands his ground and you did! :applause

Necessary... no but sure sends a lesson to dive bombers!!
 
I suppose I could just delete the post.
 
I think you should have just let him in. Can't we all just get along?
 
I think you should have just let him in. Can't we all just get along?
I usually do. It happens to me a lot; unless of course, I see it coming. If it's any consolation, I do kinda regret it.
 
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I once drove through Paris. It was interesting because there wasn't a whole lot of lane discipline going on - meaning nobody paid any attention to whether or not they stayed in their lanes. Once I got to the Arc de Triomphe I figured it out: Nobody wants to wreck their own car. So you just go for the opening and other drivers get out of the way.

While walking through Marseille, I had another revelation. If it's not your car, who gives a shit? My wife and I were strolling along and watched a delivery driver skid along some white marks and then run into a bollard at a pedestrian crossing. He then drove off as if nothing had happened. Good thing there weren't any pedestrians nearby.

I think the thing that dive bombers count on is that you're gonna let them in because you don't wanna hassle with getting in a wreck. Many years ago, I was riding with an old hippie in an International flatbed truck. The windshield had a little crank that allowed it to be opened. It was hinged at the top. I remember riding with him in Los Gatos and being at a signalled intersection where opposing traffic had backed up and was blocking the way. When our light turned green he opened the window, put the truck into granny gear, got the truck moving, and then told whoever was in the way to move it. They did.

It's nice having a big-ass beater that you don't really care about.
 
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I looked up “dive bombing” on Google and thought this was a butt stuff thread.
 
The term is "barging" in sail boat racing.
I did have something like a 73 dodge wagon, a $200. beater to drive while I waited for my Subaru to arrive.
Doing some sailboard shopping downtown Berkley, I stuck that front end into traffic, all fenders dented,
University Ave, 1: pm, stop & go, everybody gave me room, all those nice cars, didn't challenge.
 
On a Friday evening I was on 280 Northbound into the city, just before it splits 101 or 280. An absolute IDIOT in the fast lane decides to dive bomb the 280 exit, somehow he makes the exit but clips an SUV on his way over. The SUV lost control hit one of those giant traffic sign/generator thingys in the middle shoulder and flips like a fucking Michael Bay movie. Craziest shit I've ever seen. I was not driving, but traffic slowed and we called 911, saw several people pulling over in the back so we went on our way, but I don't think the Dive Bomber even bothered to stop. I have ZERO sympathy for those people. Due to that event I'm always extra careful around splits like that and I swear to god I see several dive bombers a week, makes me wish I had a James Bond car :ROFLMAO:
 
That post ^
Rolling thru Amarillo, up on elevated 6 lane freeway, dragging my rig, I watched one guy dive for an exit
from the fast lanes, across 4 to 5 lanes of light traffic.
As it dropped down the off ramp out of sight, it popped up twisting thru the air, and disappeared.
I seems the off ramp was full of cars, with a high speed collision, added
 
Here's a (redacted) copy of the police report:

FACTS:

SCENE DESCRIPTION:


This crash occurred on SR-17 southbound, south of Blossom Hill Road, in the city of Los Gatos, County of Santa Clara. This highway is maintained by the California Department of transportation (Caltrans). This highway is governed by a posted black/white 55 MPH Speed Limit Sign. There were no roadway obstructions or defects noted/ claimed during the time of the crash. The roadway consists of two 12-foot-wide lanes of travel, delineated by broken white lines. The roadway to the west is bordered by a solid white line, followed by a 6-foot-wide asphalt shoulder. The roadway to the east is bordered by a solid yellow line followed by a 11-foot-wide dirt shoulder, followed by a metal guardrail with wooden posts. For more information refer to the factual information.

PARTIES:

Party #1 (P-1,y) was contacted on 09/01/2026, at approximately 1300 hours, in the parking lot of the San Jose CHP area office. P-1 was identified by his California Driver License. P-1 was identified as the driver of Vehicle #1 (V-1, Subaru) by his statement that he was driving V-1 during the time of the crash. P-1 was identified as the driver of V-1 by Party #2’s description of the driver. P-1 is the registered owner of V-1. Vehicle #1 (V-1, Subaru) was located at the San Jose CHP office. V-1 sustained minor damages including but not limited to: dent / scratches and a visible tire mark on the drivers door.

Party #2 (P-2,) was contacted on Creekside Village Drive, west of SR-17. P-2 was identified by his California Driver License. P-2 was identified as the driver of Vehicle #2 (V-2, Ford) by his statements and P-2 is the registered owner of V-2. Vehicle #2 (V-2, Ford was located on Creekside Village Drive, west of SR-17. V-2 sustained minor. damages including but not limited to: dents/ scratches to the front bumper. No prior damage or mechanical deficiencies were noted or claimed.s

08/28/2026

NARRATIVE/SUPPLEMENTAL:

DATE OF INCIDENT TIME NCIC NUMBER OFFICER I.D. NUMBER 08/28/2026 1500

PHYSICAL EVIDENCE:

Matching damage between V-1 and V-2 are consistent with this crash.

On 09/02/2026, at approximately 1053 hours, P-1 provided me with pictures of V-1’s damage caused by the crash.

HIT AND RUN:

On 08/28/2026, at approximately 1500 hours, I was notified of a traffic crash that occurred on SR-17 southbound, south of Blossom Hill Road. I responded to a secondary location on Creekside Village Drive, west of SR-17. When I arrived on scene, I observed a vehicle parked on the curb. I made contact with the party and identified him by his California Driver License. Party #2 (P-2, Donner) related to me he was driving when he saw a car suddenly pull in front of him to get into his lane. P-2 felt a impact to the front of his vehicle. P-2 drove to Creekside Village Drive, where he was followed by the vehicle that hit him. P-2 advised he was going to call the police, P-1 turned around and left the scene by turning right on Saratoga Los Gatos Road and leaving without exchanging information after a traffic crash (a violation of 20002(a)(1) VC – Misdemeanor hit and run.

When I asked P-2 for a description of the driver, they related the driver that fled the scene was a white male adult, heavier set, with stubble and a beard with an approximate age of 40 years old. P-2 was able to provide a license plate of the vehicle. After speaking with P-2, I went back to my patrol vehicle and conducted a DMV records check of the provided license plate of. The returns came back to an address out of San Jose, CA.

On 08/28/2026, at approximately 1642 hours, I conducted additional follow-up investigation for the
crash at the address of San Jose, CA. I made contact with a female party and identified the party as the mother-in-law of P-1. The mother-in-law of P-1 was able to confirm the driver of V-1 was P-1 and she provided a phone number for P-1.

On 08/28/2026, at approximately 1849 hours, I called the provided number and was answered by P-1. When asked if he knew anything about a crash, he related he was in one earlier but he related his friend was driving the car. I asked what is the name of his friend and P-1 related that it was actually him who was driving. I then asked him if he could go to the San Jose CHP Area Office where I can obtain a statement.

After further investigation, I formed the opinion that P-1 was driving V-1 during the time of this crash by his admission, P-2 placed P-1 as the driver of V-1. P-1 is in violation of 20002(a)(1) VC – Misdemeanor hit and run because P-1 failed to exchange information after a traffic crash.


STATEMENTS:

Party #1 (P-1) related in essence the following: He was driving Vehicle #1 (V-1, Subaru) on SR-17 southbound, south of Blossom Hill Road in the #2 lane, at approximately 10 miles per hour. P-1 related traffic was backed up and it was stop and go. P-1 related he saw a gap in traffic in the #1 laneand as he attempted to change lanes he saw the vehicle to his left still driving ahead toward him. P-1 felt a impact to his car. After the crash, P-1 related the driver was yelling and making hand gestures, P-1 said him and the other vehicle took the exit onto Saratoga Los Gatos Road. Once on city streets both vehicles parked and P-1 heard the other vehicle was calling 911. P-1 panicked and fled the scene.

Party #2 (P-2) related in essence the following: He was driving Vehicle #2 (V-2, Ford) on SR-17 southbound, south of Blossom Hill Road, in the #1 lane, at approximately 10 miles per hour. P-2 related traffic was stopping and going at the time. P-2 suddenly saw a white Subaru merge in front of him and hit the front right of his car. After the crash, P-2 moved V-2 off the freeway and awaited CHP arrival.


OPINIONS AND CONCLUSIONS:

SUMMARY/CAUSE:


Party #1 (P-1) was driving Vehicle #1 (V-1, Subaru) on SR-17 southbound, south of BlossomHill Road, in the #2 lane, at 10 miles per hour. To the left of V-1, Party #2 (P-2, Donner) was driving Vehicle #2 (V-2, Ford) on SR-17 southbound, south of Blossom Hill Road, in the #1 lane, at 10 miles per hour. Due to P-1 driving V-1, and P-1 making an unsafe lane change from the #2 lane into the #1 lane (21558(a) VC), P-1 allowed the left side of V-1 to crash into the right side of V-2 (AOI). After the crash, P-1 fled the scene in V-1 but driving on Saratoga Los Gatos Road. P-2 moved to 118 Creekside Village Drive and awaited CHP arrival.

RECOMMENDATIONS:

I recommend a copy of this report, and citation TL01802, complaint to be filed be forwarded to the Santa Clara County District Attorney’s Office for the prosecution of Party #1 (P-1) for the following charges:

• 20002(a)(1) VC – Misdemeanor hit and run.



It also said on the report that he violated California Vehicle Code VC 21658(A): A California traffic law that requires drivers on multi-lane roads to stay entirely within a single lane as nearly as practical and forbids changing lanes until it can be done with reasonable safety.
 
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So if you're driving a big-ass beater down the road and somebody tries to cut you off, don't be afraid to give them a little push out of the way.
 
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I could be considered a “dive bomber” by some. Sometimes I wait till things sort themselves out and if a big gap appears, I fill it.
If not, I go to plan B.
I certainly never “cut off” anyone
 
I could be considered a “dive bomber” by some. Sometimes I wait till things sort themselves out and if a big gap appears, I fill it.
If not, I go to plan B.
I certainly never “cut off” anyone
Everyone around me has a smartphone so never had the desire for one.

I don't need to be THAT connected.

Flip Phone sits in the car read to call AAA if needed.
 
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