Kid Stands Up to Lazy Teacher

[aminalmutha]

Insufficient info to make a judgement here, for or against either party.

I dunno, I've known people who claimed to want to learn but just screwed around and blamed it on not being challenged. When in fact, they were covering the fact that they were in over their heads by acting out.

Teacher could be a lazy lout, might be great, might be somewhere in the middle. Kid could have a good point or just be a jerk, can't tell without background info.

 

[Abyss]

Insufficient info to make a judgement here, for or against either party.

I dunno, I've known people who claimed to want to learn but just screwed around and blamed it on not being challenged. When in fact, they were covering the fact that they were in over their heads by acting out.

Teacher could be a lazy lout, might be great, might be somewhere in the middle. Kid could have a good point or just be a jerk, can't tell without background info.

I could tell the kid was choking back tears. That's not how you behave when you've been given every opportunity to succeed and you don't. Looks to me like a genuine display of frustration.

 

[Outta Control]

^^^ yep. Admin can give negative evaluations that lead to reassignment or termination. Do they? Not often.

Not often? More like highly unlikely

And that kid is a rebel. He will mature and learn how to pick his battles. That room looked clean, orderly and she was calm and nice about his rant (which was great, if misguided). There are some teachers who are loathed by students and faculty alike. They are the minority. Union bashing and calling for her to be fired based on the "testimony" of a rebellious child is a little much.

Are you serious. A Rebel? What percentage of teenagers you think are not rebels. There are some good teachers and there are some bad teachers but giving them teachers a golden ticket allows them to earn a "get out of jail" excuse.

 

[nakedape]

About SPED and IEPs: the turnover rate for special Ed teachers is terrible. In our district, people amend their credential just to get a foot in the (revolving) door because very few people choose those jobs. They have a double workload and one extra prep. The aides are often babysitters to kids whose parents are in denial about their student's abilities.

SPED can be 20% of a site budget but only serves 5% of the population. Now that MDs are diagnosing and medicating kids for so many different disorders, SPED departments are often overwhelmed with new cases but lack experienced compassionate teachers to implement their accommodations.

I taught 7th grade English SPED one year and it was hellish. Much of my time was spent putting out fires and outbursts like the one in the video. And getting reamed by parents because their student claimed they couldn't learn due to the daily disruptions. In ca. you can't suspend SPED kids for more than 25 days in the year. And they know it. And they "work" their disability, often with complicit parents.

Many parents insist their kid qualifies for extra help, in the same proportion to those who think their kid is "honors" material. Most kids are in the middle of the bell curve. Class performance and test scores reflect that truth, and I'll be the first to admit its pretty arbitrary as a measure, but that's what we have.

I've passed kids who've objectively failed my class because I knew they had the skills and would nail the next year's work. Follow ups show it was the right call. We as adults sometimes forget how difficult it is to go through puberty and divorce and your brother's incarceration/death while essentially being ordered to work full time (school and sports) for no tangible benefit. Intrinsic rewards are very vague concepts to a kid in survival mode. Same goes for their teachers.

 

[Entoptic]

Neither tenure (a misnomer for permanent) or unions are the issue. The issue is lack of accountability at the admin level to supervise and direct the teacher towards engaging lessons that follow standards. And that's exactly what the student asks for in the video.

There is a shit ton of accountability built into the system but it takes WORK to bring it to bear on shitty teachers, or those who don't care. The class might be remedial or make up (for credits missed), AKA independent study. The teacher could also be a sub or leave replacement and inherited the curriculum.

Worksheets and packets are for extra credit or sub days in my world. But I recognize some of you have axes to grind and zero experience in K-12 education other than as students.

you pretty much describe tenure.

 

[nakedape]

None of my Asian (mostly Philipinos) are rebels. They are in ROTC and model students because their parents transfer strict expectations as a matter of course.

The rocker in the video expressed some good points but wrapped his argument in a pseudo-country first damned if you don't argument. Sounded like he was parroting something he read on BARF or the like.

 

[Abyss]

His argument was "If you won't make an effort to do your job, don't bother showing up."

I don't see anything rebellious or immature about that. It wasn't a profanity-laden rant, it was a reasonable argument.

 

[Outta Control]

His argument was "If you won't make an effort to do your fucking job, don't bother showing up."

I don't see anything rebellious or immature about that.

Solely based on the video I give Abyss a

+1

You can see the student's passion and his willingness to comply by getting out. A rebellious individual would not even bother to stand up.

 

[Abyss]

Solely based on the video I give Abyss a

+1

You can see the student's passion and his willingness to comply by getting out. A rebellious individual would not even bother to stand up.

Nah, a rebellious individual would scream "FUCK YOU BITCH" at the teacher and topple over some desks then storm out. He played it cool. Didn't let the message get lost in his anger.

Everyone else was complacent enough to let it fly, but not this guy.

 

[nakedape]

"you pretty much describe tenure."
__________________

You "pretty much" post out your ass. Like "don't forget (Bloomberg) went through 9/11." the big kids are talking, try to learn something before you "contribute."

 

[nakedape]

I'm surprised you guys don't recognize his rant as regurgitation. He doesn't have the background or experience to weigh in on the implications for "the country" as it relates to a week of seat work. But I'll do you all a solid and show the video to students of similar age and report back. I suspect results will be mixed.

 

[Forwards]

I'm surprised you guys don't recognize his rant as regurgitation.

Isn't that what school is all about? To not question the materials and simply be able to regurgitate the information that the teacher or in this case, the "packets" are teaching you?

 

[Skip]

I am a tenured, union, college level teacher and I understand the students frustration. But as with most things, there is more than one problem. Unmotivated teachers, parents in denial, students who are distracted, the list goes on and on and all of them are to blame. I bust my a$$ in class and out to keep my students engaged and thinking and they know it. But I hear about horror stories from other depts. all the time. You couldn't pay me enough to teach K-12. I watched a 4th grader flip his teacher off as he walked out of class telling him he couldn't anything about it. And he is right.

 

[byke]

I'm surprised you guys don't recognize his rant as regurgitation. He doesn't have the background or experience to weigh in on the implications for "the country" as it relates to a week of seat work. But I'll do you all a solid and show the video to students of similar age and report back. I suspect results will be mixed.

Every word you just used has been used before. Stop regurgitating. There is no age minimum that legitimizes concern for your country, or education.

 

[nakedape]

Yes Byke, there is. Think about what a dumbass you were at that age, and how sure you were that you were right about everything. How little you understood about the bigger picture. The kid is catastrophising. And acting out. Whether its in avoidance or true outrage we can't know. Kids are good actors.

If he still feels that way in five years he can pursue his art or music alone in his basement. Just switch teacher to boss and see how that plays. Most here would say "it's a job, deal with it."

 

[byke]

I'm pushing forty and I feel that way about myself upon reflection every year. We can judge the value of our own prior opinions and thoughts, but those judgements hold nearly zero universal value as people are rarely able to understand a world outside their own, yet are so wildly different. Just because I was a dumbass, doesn't mean he is. Pessimistically, you're probably right though. He probably just watched Stand and Deliver the night before and was spring loaded.

 

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[Terminal G]

I am a tenured, union, college level teacher and I understand the students frustration. But as with most things, there is more than one problem. Unmotivated teachers, parents in denial, students who are distracted, the list goes on and on and all of them are to blame. I bust my a$$ in class and out to keep my students engaged and thinking and they know it. But I hear about horror stories from other depts. all the time. You couldn't pay me enough to teach K-12. I watched a 4th grader flip his teacher off as he walked out of class telling him he couldn't anything about it. And he is right.

Absolutely. There is no (1) problem. I will agree however, that even when I was in high school (I graduated in 1986), I could tell a difference between the teachers that seemed to care and the ones that instructed us to read chapters 5 - 7 while they sat and their desk and read the news paper. Seriously.

I think this young man hit the nail on the head; if you're going to call yourself a teacher - freaking teach! His perception is that she doesn't. I can relate.

 

[mike23w]

the kid is an idiot.

if i was his dad, i'd whup his ass and tell him to shut the fuck up.

it's not the teacher's job to get him excited.
if you need the teacher to get you motivated about your future, you deserve to work at mcdonalds as the clown you are.

if he was really smart, he'd have figured out the system, how to work it, how to get good grades, how to get laid and enjoy himself.

you can be creative in any environment, the trick is to do it within the confines of the school rules.

 

[Abacinator]

the kid is an idiot.

if i was his dad, i'd whup his ass and tell him to shut the fuck up.

it's not the teacher's job to get him excited.
if you need the teacher to get you motivated about your future, you deserve to work at mcdonalds as the clown you are.

if he was really smart, he'd have figured out the system, how to work it, how to get good grades, how to get laid and enjoy himself.

you can be creative in any environment, the trick is to do it within the confines of the school rules.

Not sure if serious.