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Leaked Apache Video

richt127 said:
I suppose you and aluisious are the only exceptions ...

75% of the population supported the invasion of Iraq during 2001
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Just us and about 70 million others. :twofinger

278,058,881 (est. US population, July 2001)
x 25% . . . . (those who did not support the war in Iraq)
69,514,720 (people smart enough to see through the :bs)
 
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http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/reaction-on-military-blogs-to-the-wikileaks-video/

Someone just sent me this NYT post. Someone trained in aerial surveillance gives his own comments on the video.

The thing that surprised me in his comments, was that Reuters is known to hire enemy combatants to feed them "news" or their own propaganda, so the reviewer says he has no compassion for the journalists who choose to get involved on the front lines. Damn.

Still, a $XX million dollar Apache helicopter warship spent untoled $$XX tens of thousands of our tax dollars to shoot up a defenseless unarmed wounded journalist crawling around on the ground. Shameful.
 
kevin 714 said:
i respect your ability to man up and say you were wrong...its an admiral trait all to uncommon. but i think that saying people were spoon fed the war and such is incorrect.

and saying you had no say in the matterm especially in your service, is incorrect. you could have chose not to. repercutions yes, but you could have regardless.
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Appreciated, I'm confident in my abilities to say that I'm old enough to know some things, but young enough to understand that I do not know everything and humans are prone to being incorrect from time to time.

Although I did have the option to declare "conscientious objector" the reasoning of "I don't believe in the war" would not fly in the Marine Corps. The only exception from my company was a fellow Marine of Muslim background, so you can figure why the Corps would be accommodating. Additionally, it's not in my personality to be a cop out, my purpose in the military is not ask why but to do and die. (Of course unless a serious ethical issue were present) Some will consider me a robot but as my HS football couch said, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.":laughing

Burning1 said:
Uh... Dude... What does the war on terrorism have to do with the invasion of Iraq?
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The declared war on terrorism, presence of WMDs, and "Axis of Evil" were the justifications to invade Iraq.
 
Aluisious said:
Take your own advice.
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I did, and my conclusion is that your hindsight is about as keen as my pimp hand that's about to slap a hoe.

jk.

SuperMike said:
Just us and about 70 million others. :twofinger

69,514,720 (people smart enough to see through the :bs)
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BS happened afterwards, I agree. But prior to that, people simply wanted a way to end terrorism and prevent future 9/11s from happening. What is your disagreement?

Burning1 said:
Uh... Dude... What does the war on terrorism have to do with the invasion of Iraq?
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nothing at all. we just wanted oil, right?
 
richt127 said:
nothing at all. we just wanted oil, right?
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:rolleyes

Other than distracting us from the pursuit of Obama Bin Laden, undermining our efforts in Afghanastan, weakening our military, putting our nation further into massive debt, opening up Iraq to terrorists, exposing American troops to terrorism, and increasing terrorist recuritment, what has the war on Iraq done to combat terrorism?
 
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Burning1 said:
:rolleyes

Other than distracting us from the pursuit of Obama Bin Laden, undermining our efforts in Iraq, weakening our military, putting our nation further into massive debt, opening up Iraq to terrorists, exposing American troops to terrorism, and increasing terrorist recuritment, what has the war on Iraq done to combat terrorism?
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The concept was good, and the majority of us bought it.

The shit that ensued, however, was more or less blinded by anger and need for revenge?
 
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richt127 said:
The concept was good, and the majority of us bought it.

The shit that ensued, however, was more or less blinded by anger and need for revenge?
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The original war on Terrorism... Invading Iraq, and capturing Osama Bin Laden was something I supported.

The modern war on Terrorism... Stripping away American rights for a false feeling of security... The Invasion of Iraq... Is something I do not support, and never have supported.
 
It's so funny that people think the war in Iraq has anything to do with bin Laden.
 
War on Terror, price, Billions of $$
War in Iraq and Afghanistan, price, Billions of $$
No more major acts of terror on American soil, PRICELESS

Simplistic? The truth sometimes is!!
 
richt,

the war in iraq was NOY bought by everyone. on the ev of the war, there were protests around the world larger than ever before. the lead up to the war had much in critiscm and doubt. the problem was our country was so rage blind that no one wanted to hear it. people tuned it out and called the doubters un patrioitc and worse.

yes, many people in the pocuntry bought it hoopk line and sinker. CAUSE the WANTED TO. people wanted someone to get. people WANTED war to channel theor rage in a simplistic manner, instead of realizing the cold truth that the war on terrorism was not simple. the administration lied to everyone, and the populace of this country was dumb enough to trust the pres...and the press was in such an orgy over the concept of embedded journalists that they refused to question the war or the DOD because they WANTED war. for ratings. we were sold a war with a tag line, shock and awe, and you all bought it hook line anbd sinker cause you wanted to. meanwhile there was a HUGE group of people around the world, tens of millions stromg if not more, screaming at the top of their lungs. hell even the sectretary of state thought the war was a mistake.

to say that most people bought into it is to fail to recognize that even a minority of people is still a group of tens of millions. we arent talking hindsight, cause millions of people knew this war was wrong. I always thought the war was wrong...
 
Yes... The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan stemmed the tide of foreign sponsored terrorism against domestic targets that had been swelling in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. :rolleyes

Most Terrorism in the United States has been from domestic sources. Current policy does not appear to have had a major impact on Domestic terrorism.

Acts of Foreign terrorism also appear to have increased in the United States over the past 9 years. It has been largely the actions of private citizens that have prevented another major disaster.
 
B-Cuz said:
Appreciated, I'm confident in my abilities to say that I'm old enough to know some things, but young enough to understand that I do not know everything and humans are prone to being incorrect from time to time.

Although I did have the option to declare "conscientious objector" the reasoning of "I don't believe in the war" would not fly in the Marine Corps. The only exception from my company was a fellow Marine of Muslim background, so you can figure why the Corps would be accommodating. Additionally, it's not in my personality to be a cop out, my purpose in the military is not ask why but to do and die. (Of course unless a serious ethical issue were present) Some will consider me a robot but as my HS football couch said, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.":laughing



The declared war on terrorism, presence of WMDs, and "Axis of Evil" were the justifications to invade Iraq.
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bcuz,

what if you just said no? not "you" but just a standard marine? what if you just say no...i wont obey commands? when i meant theres a choice, theres always "choice" right? i mean you could just refuse to fire, refuse to show up ect ect.

im reminded of a story my unlce always tells me of vietnam. and when he served. out on a patrol, and after earlier taking fire, they came upon a clearing. at the bottom of the clearing, there were people darting back and forth. and not obeying odrers to freeze. a fellow soldier of his was commanded to fire upon the group. after several shots, they went in to investigate. and realized he had shot and killed a mother, and wounded her small child, in critical condition. the army to their credit air lifted the kid out and brought her to base for treatment. after the incident, the solider simply decided to drop his weapon, and never pick it up. simply refused to comply. no matter what. he would no fire, even pick up the weapon, or anything of the sort. apparantly at first they commander said whatever its your funeral(they were still out on patrol). but after a day or so, i guess the idea began to take hold with other soldiers. and then a chopper came in, and offered him one last chance to comply before taking him away. i guess he said he would not..and they took him away.

anyway, soort of a tangent, but an interesting story with parralels.
 
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