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Lee Parks Total Control Advance Riding Clinic

ivx909

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I had read Lee Park's book last year and I refer back to it on a regular basis. I had heard a lot of good things about the TCARC and was looking forward to taking it. I signed up for it while I was at the AMA Women & Motorcycling conference in Keystone Colorado.

I took the class in Irvine California this past Saturday. It was a full class of 16 students. Lee had two instructors assisting him, Jim Greer and Terry Watts. Lee mentioned that although they were not new to teaching, they were new instructors to his program. I was a little late so I missed the info on Jim and Terry's riding and teaching experience. But Terry did mention that he had been riding for only three years. I was surprised to hear that since he'd only been riding twice as long as I have. Not that time matters but there is only so much experience that you can pack into three years of riding. Maybe enough to teach an MSF class but an advanced riding class?

Lee is an awesome instructor. He totally brought all the concepts and theories from his book to life. I found the exercises he developed for the class to be extremely effective. He offered up tips and advice that clarified any questions I had. The class was divided into three groups with each instructor rotating through each group. That way everyone had the opportunity to work with Lee.

One thing I noticed during the class was the disparity of teaching technique, style and knowledge between Lee and Jim and Terry. Maybe it's because Lee had such a natural and dynamic teaching style that the other instructors paled in comparison. I think both Jim and Terry were very easy to work with and very pleasant, but I did feel as though I received only a third of what I should have because they lacked the experience and hadn't yet gained the ability to communicate what they know at a level I would expect in an advanced riding course. I know how difficult it is to be proficient not only at what you do but also to teach someone else how to do it. There is an art to teaching. It's one thing to memorize words in a book or a technical theory but a whole other thing to possess the innate ability to pass on that knowledge. For example, Terry taught the section on suspension but could have easily been reading it from a book. During Lee's presentations, I felt how passionate he was about riding. Lee taught in an engaging manner and conveyed his years of experience in an exciting way, motivating the students to keep open mind ("a beginner's mind") that would be conducive to learning and in order become more proficient riders. I believe that Lee's assistant instructors should have been at that level as well in order to better compliment TCARC.

I'm almost tempted to retake the TCARC Level 1 with a different set of instructors but it would not be cost or time efficient for me. As much as I would like to sign up for the Level 2 class, I would definitely check to see who else would be teaching with Lee beforehand.

I did email Lee regarding my concerns. His reply was:
"Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate your candor and honesty. They are both new instructors for us but get better each time and I will continue to work with them to make them all that they can be. I look forward to working with you again as you did an excellent job accepting our coaching.
--Lee"

For the $300 I paid and the full day of training I spent I didn't bargain on being a guinea pig for Lee's new instructors. I expected them to be fully prepared to train me. I do feel that I gained a lot through taking the class and will practice the techniques I learned but I do feel a little cheated on the quality of training I received from Lee's instructors.

I would recommend the class but with the caveat that the instructors may not be up to par.
 
I would suggest taking level 2 rather than retaking level 1. Everything taught in L2 builds on L1, so you do the same things again anyway.

It has been months and thousands of miles since I took the TCARCs, and I am still improving with every ride. Take the skills you learned and practice, practice, practice...
 
I would recommend the class but with the caveat that the instructors may not be up to par.

i had a similar experience when i took tcarc I in san mateo. the other instructors were GREAT on the range, but either downright painful in the classroom, or just downright boring. the contrast was too great between lee and everyone else.

so i would just adjust your caveat and say: "take the class ONLY when lee parks is teaching it (since there are classes where he's not even there at all)... and then don't expect the other instructors to be up to par in the classroom settings".

bt
 
ivx909 and bt0, have you applied the skills learned in the TCARCs on the road?

How do you feel about your riding after taking the TCARCs?

For me, it allowed me to hit the twisties with a much higher level of confidence than before.
 
I took the Level 1 with Lee Parks and a new instructor. Parks did the classroom part. In my class the instructors would switch so one range session I would have Parks, and the next range session I would have the new instructor. I did notice that Parks gave better feedback in the range sessions.

I suspect a handful of new instructors have recently been brought on-board to handle some government contracts and other expansion issues, so I think this issue will be a short-lived thing.
 
ivx909 and bt0, have you applied the skills learned in the TCARCs on the road?

How do you feel about your riding after taking the TCARCs?

for me, i can now drag knee at 20mph on a parking lot. :rofl on a more serious note, it allowed me to get a better sense of proper body positioning, something that helped me on my first track day (though i am still crossed up a bit). though honestly, even though i get off the seat in the twisties, i'm not gonna hang it out even to the extent that we were doing in the parking lot.

probably the most immediate lessons i applied were 1) the mental aspect of riding and how to be aware of counter-productive mind states and try to adjust it, 2) the exercise we did where we alternated throttling and braking without upsetting the suspension (trailing the brake, though we didn't actual practice trail braking into turns/corners) was really helpful in smoothing out my ride, and 3) dragging my knee at 20mph in front of my astounded friends. heheh, had to mention that one again. :p

TCARC, especially Lee Parks, made learning FUN; he's a great teacher. the class highlighted a lot of my weak points, something that i try to work on 1-2 times a month in a big parking lot. i signed up for level II, again with Lee as the main instructor, but had to bail out last week due to money issues. i'll be back though.

EDIT: and to answer vaderSS' question more directly: i feel that the 2-day novice trackday class with Keigwin's helped me more than the TCARC for twisties, simply because it was 2 days versus 1 day, we were going at higher rate of speeds (which in turn helps me feel more confidant when on the road since i know i've handled far faster speeds previously) and, though the principles are transferrable, the TCARC parking lot drills really can't replicate a winding road.

that said, i think taking the tcarc FIRST gave me an advantage over my friend who hadn't taken any formal training at all before our first trackday. i had a little more of a base (i.e., "book/classroom knowledge") and therefore was able to make quicker progress than he. uhh, if you use lap times as the measure of progress.

bt
 
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I'm taking Level 2 this Sunday. Anyone else going?

Edit: On the schedule it appears to be w/o Lee Parks, but on the sign-up page it lists him as an instructor. He is doing Level 1 the day before so maybe he will be doing both.
 
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I just took Level 1 this past Saturday, and am signed up for Oct 4th Level 2 (signed up after I got home :) ).

The class no doubt improved my riding (a LOT). Dragged hard parts for the first time - it freaked me out, but now it won't scare me as much, and the instructor told me what to do to avoid it in the future (while still cornering at the same speed/lean angle). Very very cool.
 
I took the level 1 class on Saturday 9/12 in San Mateo.

- It was cool meeting and speaking with Lee in person. Just about all the info we went over during the class were in his book Total Control, but Lee was a terrific and engaging speaker and really brought the subjects to life.

- There were a couple of younger guys but the majority of the students were in the late 30s to 50s age group. With 9 months and 5k miles I had the least riding experience. A couple of other guys had 2-3 years, but most had been riding for 8-10 years or more, and several guys had been riding for 30-40 years!

- The bikes: 6 Ducati(!), 1 Aprila Tuono, 3 FZ6, 2 BMW (1 touring and 1 dual-sport type), 1 EX500, several Harley cruisers, 1 VFR800, 1 CBR1000 Repsol, 1 CBR600, 1 GSX600, 1 YZF600R, etc.

- The class format was very similar to the MSF basic training – class room discussions followed by parking lot exercise where we lined up and went one at a time and get feedback from rider coach, so a lot of time was just sitting there idling waiting for your turn.

- There were 3 other instructors (rider coaches) working with Lee so the split up the students into 4 groups roughly by bike type. All the Ducati were put in one group; so were the cruisers, the sport bikes, and the naked/standards/sport touring, etc.

- The instructors rotated among groups for each different exercise. The differences of the rider coaches’ personalities really showed – one guy was a little accusational, one was more suggestive, and another (a lady) was very encouraging.

- In Lee’s book those practice circles were 40-ft in diameter, but during the class the circles were smaller, like maybe 25-30 ft in diameter. My guess is smaller circles were used due to space limitations in the parking lot. Lee (and the other instructors) demoed wrong and correct techniques (looked very easy when Lee went around the circles dragging knees) and we broke up by groups to try ourselves. It turned out everyone in my group (sport bikes) felt those small circles were pretty difficult to go around because in street riding you just didn’t normally go around 30 ft circles twice in a row (720 degrees turn) while maintaining a good lean. I had some difficulty seeing where the cones (half-tennis balls) were, managing my speed/throttle, turning my head far enough to look thru the turn, modifying the sightline fast enough to keep up with the turning, especially in the beginning. At one point I got tired, frustrated and felt close to being overwhelmed and making a mistake to drop the bike, and asked for a break, but it got better after that. All the exercises were done in 1st an 2nd gear (about 20 mph or so in my case), so there was no real danger of serious injury or bike damage even if I did drop it, but it would still suck. My group was in a corner of the parking lot which had fence and curb nearby and not a huge amount of run off space, so I never fully let go of my fear of getting disoriented and crashing into something. Since each time we only went 2 circles and went back to the end of the line to wait for the next run, several of us felt that never allowed us to get into a rhythm. It would have been better if we were allowed to go maybe 4 circles per run so we could find our rhythm. Another thing I found difficult with these parking lot exercises is in terms of visual reference, picking up a bunch of small cones with peripheral vision is much harder than out on real roads.

- This class highlighted what I don’t do well in the basic skills, which wasn’t apparent in everyday riding. It gave me a good idea of what kind of specific practices I need to do, and it motivated me to practice and integrate the skills into my everyday riding. The technique of body prepositioning prior to the turn, and the transition of body position between turns, were really effective. When I got home I went around the block a few more times to try out the technique and was like, holy s***, this really worked – it felt like the bike would just fall into the turns effortlessly!

- Lee said he got a lot more riders in the Bay Area signing up for his classes than down in southern cal. Also when asked if it’d be better to take his level 2 class right after the first class or wait a bit, his replied was however a person ended up doing it decided that was a good way. For me, I got very tired after a full day of the level 1 class, and I feel that doing a lot of practice on my own before going back to the level 2 class is the way to go.
 
I also was in the same class. (sportbikes). I have to agree it was
a long day very similar to MSF. The instructors were very cool.
Lee was super enthusiastic, and really explained
the points in his book well. I took a lot away from this class. Especially body
positioning and the "10" steps to cornering. In the end, I also wish we had a few more goes around the circle but I was able to practice the following
day in a nearby lot. Definitely worth it.

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- Lee said he got a lot more riders in the Bay Area signing up for his classes than down in southern cal. Also when asked if it’d be better to take his level 2 class right after the first class or wait a bit, his replied was however a person ended up doing it decided that was a good way. For me, I got very tired after a full day of the level 1 class, and I feel that doing a lot of practice on my own before going back to the level 2 class is the way to go.

Just make sure you actually do practice. I took Level 1 a month before Level 2 and I didn't practice in between like I thought I would. So going in to Level 2 for me was pretty much like taking it the next day. We did talk about that a little in my Level 2 class - Lee Parks commented that if people actually practice in between, then they come in to Level 2 with a noticeable difference.
 
ivx909 and bt0, have you applied the skills learned in the TCARCs on the road?

How do you feel about your riding after taking the TCARCs?

For me, it allowed me to hit the twisties with a much higher level of confidence than before.

I have been practicing but haven't hit any twisties yet. Taking TCARC helped me understand body positioning and some of the other concepts. It will take me awhile to get it to the point where it's second nature but at least now I know how it's supposed to look and feel.
I'm still considering level 2 but I'm definitely planning to take Reg Pridmore and Keith Code next year. Maybe even squeeze in a dirt bike class before the end of this year :teeth
 
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