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lefty

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I hope that this is not a repost.

I like to think that I'm 'on top' of all the latest trends/fads. Being a really-hip 47 y/o male!!!

I was headed to limewire this morning to download some music from this really cool new band- I just discovered- "Rage Against the Machine".
 
you could always use the freaky concept of, gasp, PAYING for the music someone spent so much time and energy on...
 
you could always use the freaky concept of, gasp, PAYING for the music someone spent so much time and energy on...

If I had to pay for it, I wouldn't listen to it at all. Therefore I couldn't show my friends who can show other people etc. Eventually you'll get a larger fan base and maybe every 1/5 pay for their music. That's more people they have following and more people buying the music than if they would have made P2P illegal.
 
that i have to pay for a ducati is the reason i dont have one. personally i think we should start just stealing them from the dealerships. i mean hell, more and more of it will be out there so people will see the ducatis.if one in five people still pays for them its al good right?


nothing like rationalizing theft to make yourself feel better....

Im all for free music of a band wants to do so....hell NIN is my fav band and they give almost all their music away. but thats their choice.


just because something is easy to steal, doesnt mean it isnt stealing
 
it wont matter when they start controlling the interwebz anyways. give it some time, the right will surely put a stop to net neutrality
i can see it now, the interwebz 2.0. it'll look like a disney theme park
 
that i have to pay for a ducati is the reason i dont have one. personally i think we should start just stealing them from the dealerships. i mean hell, more and more of it will be out there so people will see the ducatis.if one in five people still pays for them its al good right?


nothing like rationalizing theft to make yourself feel better....

Im all for free music of a band wants to do so....hell NIN is my fav band and they give almost all their music away. but thats their choice.


just because something is easy to steal, doesnt mean it isnt stealing

i guess you've never stolen anything, huh? what about at work? those 10 minutes you milked the clock for that one time? HOLY SHIT! YOU THIEF! BURN! :rofl
 
i guess you've never stolen anything, huh? what about at work? those 10 minutes you milked the clock for that one time? HOLY SHIT! YOU THIEF! BURN! :rofl



i work at my families buisness, i cant steal from myself :thumbup

personally i draw a solid distinction between things. I have issue with stealing music or any other creative product
 
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that i have to pay for a ducati is the reason i dont have one. personally i think we should start just stealing them from the dealerships. i mean hell, more and more of it will be out there so people will see the ducatis.if one in five people still pays for them its al good right?


nothing like rationalizing theft to make yourself feel better....

Im all for free music of a band wants to do so....hell NIN is my fav band and they give almost all their music away. but thats their choice.


just because something is easy to steal, doesnt mean it isnt stealing

Wow you really have taken those anti piracy ads to heart... Your not taking anything. Just a copy of the original. Not like walking into the Louvre and stealing the Mona Lisa, just taking a picture of it.
 
Can someone please steal all of Justin Beiber's music so he can let me watch the world series in peace...... k thx bye
 
actually ive never seen an anti piracy add i dont think. at least not one that i can remember. my personal feelin is that the music industry has zero ability to adapt and is suffering the consequences. bands like radiohead and NIN who are leading the way in innovative marketing and free music sales are what I am all about. I purchase very little music at this point, despite being a huge huge music fan. But the bands i do like, i am super suuppotive of, even though NIN has basically given me aendless supply of free music.

your mona lisa analogy isnt apt. a music track is not a physical thing but an intellectual property. it has no physical essence.

make no mistake, i am not supporting a music industry that has no ability to adapt nor vision at all(music, aside from rock, quality is severley dropping). but i am against what is basically stealing from individual creative artists.

my last few music purchares were

social network score
florence and the machine
broken social scene

all bands i am MORE than happy to suppport
 
your mona lisa analogy isnt apt. a music track is not a physical thing but an intellectual property. it has no physical essence.

Actually, I found his analogy on-point. By making a copy, he can now deny the Louvre the price they charge for admission, whilst being free to enjoy his copy of the Mona Lisa anytime he likes.
 
Actually, I found his analogy on-point. By making a copy, he can now deny the Louvre the price they charge for admission, whilst being free to enjoy his copy of the Mona Lisa anytime he likes.



I would have to disagree slightly. I see what you mean, and there is no comparo between seeing the mona lisa in a pic and in person. no picture no matter how well can capture the painting exactly, where as any copy of a digital track is an exact copy.

also, the mona lisa is not as good an analogy because it is too old and too established, it easily falls into the fair use category for anyone to use. also the original creator is long dead as are any ties to his family.

a btter analogy would be taking the photos from an up and comming photographers website, printing digital prints and them selling them or otherwise distibuting them for free without his consent.
 
If it's theft why aren't people being tried in court for theft? They're being tried for infringement. If you're playing a radio at work and other employees can hear it I hope you're paying ASCAP. Exact same thing as downloading infringing music unlike the theft analogies.
 
you could always use the freaky concept of, gasp, PAYING for the music someone spent so much time and energy on...
There's a fundamental problem with this logic-- the actual artists that spent that time and energy to make the music get paid in pennies for each CD. The vast majority of the price is sheer glut for the distribution machine. That's why the RIAA is shitting its pants over all this so hard, they've had a stranglehold on the industry for decades and once music figures out a new, more direct business model they're going the way of the dinosaurs and can't make billions for doing fuck all anymore.


The movie industry on the other hand is a different animal. The actual making of a movie employs thousands of people. The studios themselves are also largely corrupt, of course, but piracy actually has a much more direct, real-world impact on movie revenues that could really damage the industry and everyone involved.
 
^^youll get no argument from me on both record companies price gouging an essentially making money off the talent of others. I 100% support bands becoming essentially free agents, the one god thing about the net is that it becomes a free distribution system for music. so all you need to pay for is the product itself. bands like metric show that you dont need a record deal to make it big. they basically were enntirely independent and still made a huge splash in the alt rock scene.

the above radio analogy is also inncorect. singles that are played on the radio are released by the bands for that specific purpose. to be listened to free of charge on the radio to illicit either single purchases or album downloads. the radio system is used as a marketing tool.

a better way for my point to come across is to purchase the music of bands you actually quite like and enjoy. honesty i dont give a crap if ever boy band band, justin beiber, lady gaga and american idols shit is stolen. but i think if you really dig a band and want them to keep making music, i feel you should purchase their music. or go to shows if thats your thing.
 
I feel strongly that we need some kind of micro-payment system. The main hurdle right now is that everything is just too darn expensive, particularly in the case of movies when you don't even know if you'll like the thing before you see it. I personally would love it if somehow I could automatically pay like... I dunno, 10 cents or something, every time I watch a particular movie. Same with music, but a lot cheaper. Trouble is nobody has figured out any kind of realistic (or non-intrusive, non-freakout) method of handling this.

I work in a video rental store-- and the money paid for the movies does NOT reflect the actual popularity of the films themselves. We buy DVDs based mainly on which films are predicted to be most in demand, and after that... nothing, until something breaks and is or isn't replaced. We have many obscure titles that have been in the store for YEARS and get rented like CRAZY-- but as far as the movie people are concerned, all this is happening in a vacuum, none of that cult popularity actually comes back to the source in a tangible way. DVD replacements due to wear and tear is... frankly a pretty shitty business model if you ask me.

Oh, and going to the theater IS WAY TOO GODDAMN EXPENSIVE. They are shooting themselves in the leg repeatedly with that one. It doesn't make sense to push your audience TOWARDS piracy. Between the ticket costs and subjecting everybody to 30min of fucking commercials... you have to be a real trooper to bother subjecting yourself to the cinema at all these days.

And then... they make everybody who DIDN'T pirate the DVD sit through obnoxious un-skippable crap about how you shouldn't pirate stuff. And they make you bend over backwards and sacrifice small animals under the light of the full moon on the fifth wednesday with mercury in retrograde, to get a Blu-Ray movie to actually play correctly, and... well basically they just do everything they can to punish their legitimate, legal customers. The more they tighten their grip, the more star systems customers will slip through their fingers.

And it really SUCKS, because if they had just grabbed this bull by the horns when the issue first rose on the horizon, and said HEY LOOK HERE COMES THE INTERNET, HERE'S OUR NEW BUSINESS MODEL, CHEAPER AND EASIER FOR ALL YAYYYYYY, everybody would have jumped on board. But now? After all this bullshit? After years of forcing customers away, and bringing up a generation of people fully trained in efficient mass piracy, fostering an entire ecosystem of pirated content... even if they DO come out with a reasonable business model at this point-- now that everybody's used to getting shit for free, and now that nobody damn well trusts them and we've given up on this whole idea of paying for shit-- it would take a miracle to make it fly.


And I am PISSED as hell cause I'm an animation student and all this is my future income and career circling the drain thanks to their stupidity.
 
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