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Link between MMR & autism is apparent

Snaggy said:
There's a link between autism and intestinal bacteria emerging in clinical research. Turns out intestinal bacteria have effects far beyond the intestinal tract. This raises the possibility that diet and antibiotic use actually have an impact on autism.

As it happens, Wakefield's paper was based on children presenting to a GI clinic for chronic intestinal complaints.
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This might well be the direction autism research ends up going. The microbiome is being touted as the answer to everything. My concern with this is it's still a little chicken and egg; what manifest first? Did a disturbance in the microbiome trigger the autism, or, did the development of autism via predisposing genetic factors lead to a chemical imbalance enabling an altered microbiome? It will be fascinating to follow the progress of these ideas.
 
tzrider said:
"...a steady increase in the number of the least educated Americans who lack health insurance"
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This is highly likely to be the cause of morbidity and mortality in demographics that are financially disadvantaged.
 
Dr_SLO said:
Can you provide some scientific studies that support these statements?
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Indeed.

My dad's family in the early 1900s was so darn healthy that two of four children died in childhood. My Aunt Marjorie at age 6 and my Uncle Richard as an infant. Both would have survived with simple modern antibiotics, those tools of the Satan Spawn. My mom lost her teeth to Scarlet Fever, a disease no longer seen because of those tools of the Satan Spawn. I avoided childhood polio thanks to Satan Spawn technology.
 
afm199 said:
Indeed.

My dad's family in the early 1900s was so darn healthy that two of four children died in childhood. My Aunt Marjorie at age 6 and my Uncle Richard as an infant. Both would have survived with simple modern antibiotics, those tools of the Satan Spawn. My mom lost her teeth to Scarlet Fever, a disease no longer seen because of those tools of the Satan Spawn. I avoided childhood polio thanks to Satan Spawn technology.
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You are just a pawn of the Illuminati.
 
revnort said:
No it's not a coincidence. It's obesity and (diabeetus)

NOT VACCINES.

Also living longer means more people living with chronic conditions that come with age. Feel free to read any of the studies on it.

Thanks for playing, we have got some nice parting gifts for you in the back.
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That post of mine was in response to Blankpage's post, which was in response to HEATXfer's post #285 where he mentioned our toxic food supply and environment. I never said "it's the vaccines".

FFS why do so many of you hate the thought of even questioning today's uber-aggressive vaccination policy and procedure? The film's makers are not anti-vaccine. They are pro-vaccine safety. They are concerned about what appears to be deception and conspiracy at the CDC which seems to involve big pharma and the medical establishment.

What compels people to automatically reject the possibilities here, when history is rife with corporate/gov deception? Anyone remember the Big Tobacco story 2 decades ago? Anyone see The Insider with Al Pacino?

Guess not.
 
Why do you hate the thought of questioning the US's involvement in Lizard Men?

Why do you hate the thought of questioning the Queen's involvement with the Illuminati?

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA??
 
afm199 said:
Indeed.

My dad's family in the early 1900s was so darn healthy that two of four children died in childhood. My Aunt Marjorie at age 6 and my Uncle Richard as an infant. Both would have survived with simple modern antibiotics, those tools of the Satan Spawn. My mom lost her teeth to Scarlet Fever, a disease no longer seen because of those tools of the Satan Spawn. I avoided childhood polio thanks to Satan Spawn technology.
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Yes, but you have no quality of life, right? :laughing
 
MrIncredible said:
I don't recall you claiming that you have any relevant scientific background, so anything you believe on the matter is really just you choosing one person who has more expertise on the subject than you instead of a different person who has more expertise on the subject than you.
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All true.

MrIncredible said:
Following that choice, you've decided to lecture the rest of us with why we're wrong for doing the same thing but coming to a different conclusion than yours, and are somehow surprised by the reaction you get. :rolleyes
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This is a chicken/egg issue... typically, it's the gang of popular thought that starts the assault on unpopular opinion. In this case? Depends who you ask, I guess.

corndog67 said:
But he did bring out some serious discussion.
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This is really my main motivation. I DON'T know the answers. Sure, I have my biases... and yeah, they tend to represent unpopular points of view... but ultimately, I'm just trying to help people think critically.

And please, if someone has HappyHighwayman's # - pls reach out to him, make sure he's ok. I'm concerned about his mental health.
 
redruM said:
All true.



This is a chicken/egg issue... typically, it's the gang of popular thought that starts the assault on unpopular opinion. In this case? Depends who you ask, I guess.



This is really my main motivation. I DON'T know the answers. Sure, I have my biases... and yeah, they tend to represent unpopular points of view... but ultimately, I'm just trying to help people think critically.

And please, if someone has HappyHighwayman's # - pls reach out to him, make sure he's ok. I'm concerned about his mental health.
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And the corresponding implication to the bolded bit is that the rest of us can't think critically, or don't. Which is also likely why you get the reaction you do.
 
Critical thinking is the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment. We've evaluated both the quacks and the scientists and found the quacks claims lacking. You skipped the scientists and concluded the quacks are correct.

How does this make you a more critical thinker than us?
 
redruM said:
FFS why do so many of you hate the thought of even questioning today's uber-aggressive vaccination policy and procedure?
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"I'm just asking questions [but plainly showing an assumptive answer in my use of phrases like 'uber-aggressive']"

redruM said:
The film's makers are not anti-vaccine. They are pro-vaccine safety.
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Yeah, and republican policy-makers aren't anti-abortion, they are pro-women safety. Sorry dude, transparent as could be.

redruM said:
What compels people to automatically reject the possibilities here, when history is rife with corporate/gov deception?
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What makes you think it's automatic? What makes you so sure that anyone here hasn't thought as or more critically than you and just arrived at a completely different conclusion?
 
MrIncredible said:
And the corresponding implication to the bolded bit is that the rest of us can't think critically, or don't. Which is also likely why you get the reaction you do.
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can't? no. don't? some folks, sometimes imo.

i've never claimed intellectual high ground. seems to me, some people just have a stick up their ass because i tend to represent controversial viewpoints that challenge the status quo.

while i'm no saint here (who is?), history has proven that it is not my delivery, but the message itself that draws ire. some are blatantly hostile, others passive-aggressive.
 
redruM said:
can't? no. don't? some folks, sometimes imo.

i've never claimed intellectual high ground. seems to me, some people just have a stick up their ass because i tend to represent controversial viewpoints that challenge the status quo.

while i'm no saint here (who is?), history has proven that it is not my delivery, but the message itself that draws ire. some are blatantly hostile, others passive-aggressive.
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Nope, it's your delivery and your message, which both suck.
 
ohio said:
Yeah, and republican policy-makers aren't anti-abortion, they are pro-women safety. Sorry dude, transparent as could be.
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I see. And you're suggesting that Bobby De Niro is just pushing the same agenda...?

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ohio said:
What makes you think it's automatic? What makes you so sure that anyone here hasn't thought as or more critically than you and just arrived at a completely different conclusion?
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It sure is possible! So you've done research yourself and determined that this whole CDC whistleblower thing is just nonsense then..? Or, did you spend all of 3 minutes Googling with confirmation bias and you're about to copypasta snopes-like proof that somehow "debunks" this whole CDC cover-up thing?
 
Robert DeNiro is a Hollywood actor and not a scientist. He is not even an authority on acting anymore, he hasn't made a good movie in years. Jenny McCarthy went on TV regarding vaccines, her expertise is getting naked on camera. I often take my health advice from women with nice tits.

Man you change topics so fast...people going "What about these oranges?" and you immediately reply with "Yeah but Apples are RED"

So you've done research yourself and determined that this whole CDC whistleblower thing is just nonsense then..? Or, did you spend all of 3 minutes Googling with confirmation bias and you're about to copypasta snopes-like proof that somehow "debunks" this whole CDC cover-up thing?
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You are the king of Strawmen
 
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