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Marchesini Wheels: What I noticed

Feanor

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Aug 20, 2004
Location
Dublin
Moto(s)
2008 ZX-10R, 2004 KDX-220R
Name
David
I've put a set of Marchesini forged Aluminum wheels on the Ninja along with a new set of Bridgestone BT-016s, and I took a little ride up and down Palomares Road just to see if the wheels had a handling effect that I could notice.

After leaving the house, the first thing I wanted to know was wether or not there was a noticeable positive effect on acceleration and/or braking. To this I noticed no change whatsoever from the stock wheels, though there was the added variable of new tires, but I doubt that had an effect.

The very first thing that I noticed was that the ride was noticeable "stiffer" but not in the sense that it was "rougher", but that I could feel more road surface thru the grips; it's hard to explain beyond feeling more of the tiny road imperfections and more like I could feel the vibration of the aggragate in the pavement... like a high frequency buzzing in the grips. It wasn't an unsettling feeling at all, in fact, it made the movement of the bike and the feel "make more sense" because running over cracks in the pavement felt like cracks, and seams in concrete felt like seams, and dips felt like dips... It's hard to explain other than to say it felt like continuous contact of the wheels to the road more than "absorbing bumps"

I got to Palomares and rode it nice and slow, twitching abnormally quickly into the corners to get a feel for if the bike was any quicker side to side compared to the stock wheels.

I was mildly disappointed because the bike felt exactly the same with the Marchesini's as it did with the stock wheels. I went thru several small turns at increased speed to see if the wheels lesser gyroscopic effect was more noticeable if I went a bit faster... Still the same.

"Oh well" I thought "Bling, and they're stronger at least"

That's when I got to the sharper turns where the bike was leaned over a little bit more, and I noticed the absolute prime handling change that was very obvious.

When the bike is leaned over moderate amounts, it no longer feels like you have to "hold forward pressure" on the grip to maintain the lean angle, the bike just holds the line on it's own far more readily than with the stock wheels.

It was one of the parts about the ZX-10s handling that I didn't like, especially compared to the ZX-6, and that was that you really had to expend some effort to hold a turn, and more to switch side to side.

Not only did the bike now feel like anything more than 20 degrees of lean was alot less effort to hold, it made line changes mid corner MUCH easier. SO much so that several turns felt very "twitchy" until I was more used to the new feeling, and expending the same effort to turn that I was assuming was in "muscle memory" made me turn TOO sharply, so that now I could relax significantly more in a lean with a much lighter touch on the grips.

I think the easiest way to describe it is exponential steering on RC cars... What it feels like is 1-10 degrees of steering input puts in 1-10 degrees of wheel movement, but 11-15 degrees of steering input puts in 11-20 degrees of wheel deflection.

It's a very nice feeling handling change once I get more used to it, because the bike still has all of its stability in essentially a straight line and gentle curves, but once the lean becomes more aggressive, the bike is less of a handful to hold in a turn, or when you have to make line corrections with steering input and throttle.

There actually may be a slight increase in braking performance (initial bite, lever effort) but I'm still in the process of bedding the discs and pads so there are too many changes there to adjust for...

I would have attributed many of the things that felt different to the new tires, but I replaced the original tires with the identical model.

I like the new wheels...

Palomares Road 5/31/10
 
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The faster you go and, the more aggressively you ride, the more you will notice the diff. :thumbup Shoulda sprung for teh Mags. :teeth

Even though it's suggested that the magnesium Marches not be used on the street, it seems like everyone that has them and rides them on the street says they are plenty strong enough, but for me, the aluminum was plenty :)

The front wheel is 3 lbs lighter than stock, actually maybe only 2 lbs lighter because it has the Galfer superbike rotors that came with the wheels and they are 1lb lighter than stock rotors, and the rear is about 3 1/2 lbs lighter.

I like to do everything I reasonably can to make the bike feel more nimble, it already has power galore!
 
So holds a line better? Probably just the new tires.
 
So holds a line better? Probably just the new tires.

I was thinking that was a strong variable too, but I had BT-016s on the old wheels and they only have 2300 miles on them and plenty of life left, so it wasn't anything like going from a bald, squared off rear to brand new tires, though I'm sure it probably did have some effect...
 
So holds a line better? Probably just the new tires.


i would think, changing your line (mid corner) would be easier with lighter wheels more so than it holding a line better.
 
Perhaps because your not losing as much weight as say, a real magniesum wheel, your not noticing it as much. When I went to Dymag's on the ZX12R, the effect was instantly felt once I reached the twisties. The acceleration/de-acceleration effects were not as noticable, but side-to-side flip/flopping the bike was much much faster than before.

I still think the expense is not worth it for plain-jane street riding, but for the higher-end crowd, it is a "feelable" instant performance boost. Later after getting used to them, I felt a small increase in both braking & acceleration, but it was not very much. The biggest increase was the flip-flopping action, reduction in gyro effect very noticeable in all riding situations.

Sadly, sold the bike last year....(sniff)....
 
I went to a track day a couple years ago, and sprang to have Dave Moss dial the suspension in. Big difference. On one favorite road there was a curve with a bump that I needed to remember to be in second for because in third the wheel would come off the ground and the bars would snap about. After the suspension tuning, the bike floated over that bump with nary a whimper.

Then I put magnesium rims on the bike. Oh. My. Ghod. :party
 
Dood didn't you Lie about putting these rims on your Fake Bike after your Fake Broken Back. Are you Trying to make us beleave your not Full of shittttttt.
 
Acceleration wise: 1lb of weight lost on the rims is worth, at most, 2 lbs of inertia. So, losing a couple of lbs on the rims might be noticeable on the gas, but it won't be huge.
 
I thought lighter rims had to do with unsprung weight....hmmmmm.....goes back to re-read Art & Science of Motorcycling....
 
I thought lighter rims had to do with unsprung weight....hmmmmm.....goes back to re-read Art & Science of Motorcycling....

They have lots of advantages.

- Reduced gyroscopic resistance to turn-in
- Reduced inertia, both rotating and linear
- Reduced unsprung weight

From what I understand, forged rims are one of the better modifications.
 
I've put a set of Marchesini forged Aluminum wheels on the Ninja along with a new set of Bridgestone BT-016s, and I took a little ride up and down Palomares Road just to see if the wheels had a handling effect that I could notice.

After leaving the house, the first thing I wanted to know was wether or not there was a noticeable positive effect on acceleration and/or braking. To this I noticed no change whatsoever from the stock wheels, though there was the added variable of new tires, but I doubt that had an effect.

The very first thing that I noticed was that the ride was noticeable "stiffer" but not in the sense that it was "rougher", but that I could feel more road surface thru the grips; it's hard to explain beyond feeling more of the tiny road imperfections and more like I could feel the vibration of the aggragate in the pavement... like a high frequency buzzing in the grips. It wasn't an unsettling feeling at all, in fact, it made the movement of the bike and the feel "make more sense" because running over cracks in the pavement felt like cracks, and seams in concrete felt like seams, and dips felt like dips... It's hard to explain other than to say it felt like continuous contact of the wheels to the road more than "absorbing bumps"

I got to Palomares and rode it nice and slow, twitching abnormally quickly into the corners to get a feel for if the bike was any quicker side to side compared to the stock wheels.

I was mildly disappointed because the bike felt exactly the same with the Marchesini's as it did with the stock wheels. I went thru several small turns at increased speed to see if the wheels lesser gyroscopic effect was more noticeable if I went a bit faster... Still the same.

"Oh well" I thought "Bling, and they're stronger at least"

That's when I got to the sharper turns where the bike was leaned over a little bit more, and I noticed the absolute prime handling change that was very obvious.

When the bike is leaned over moderate amounts, it no longer feels like you have to "hold forward pressure" on the grip to maintain the lean angle, the bike just holds the line on it's own far more readily than with the stock wheels.

It was one of the parts about the ZX-10s handling that I didn't like, especially compared to the ZX-6, and that was that you really had to expend some effort to hold a turn, and more to switch side to side.

Not only did the bike now feel like anything more than 20 degrees of lean was alot less effort to hold, it made line changes mid corner MUCH easier. SO much so that several turns felt very "twitchy" until I was more used to the new feeling, and expending the same effort to turn that I was assuming was in "muscle memory" made me turn TOO sharply, so that now I could relax significantly more in a lean with a much lighter touch on the grips.

I think the easiest way to describe it is exponential steering on RC cars... What it feels like is 1-10 degrees of steering input puts in 1-10 degrees of wheel movement, but 11-15 degrees of steering input puts in 11-20 degrees of wheel deflection.

It's a very nice feeling handling change once I get more used to it, because the bike still has all of its stability in essentially a straight line and gentle curves, but once the lean becomes more aggressive, the bike is less of a handful to hold in a turn, or when you have to make line corrections with steering input and throttle.

There actually may be a slight increase in braking performance (initial bite, lever effort) but I'm still in the process of bedding the discs and pads so there are too many changes there to adjust for...

I would have attributed many of the things that felt different to the new tires, but I replaced the original tires with the identical model.

I like the new wheels...

Palomares Road 5/31/10


I think your getting (I'll assume your story is true) false impressions, because of a mix of inputs, and street conditions and speeds.

Anyway the mix makes for coming up with a false idea, of what it all means.
 
I think your getting (I'll assume your story is true) false impressions, because of a mix of inputs, and street conditions and speeds.

Of course the impressions are false, because the entire story is likewise false. :p
 
Dood didn't you Lie about putting these rims on your Fake Bike after your Fake Broken Back. Are you Trying to make us beleave your not Full of shittttttt.

+1.

Feanor (David?) - please tell us why are we supposed to read anything you talk about, and not feel like we're listening to a guy lacking serious integrity? (thus not making it worth our while)?
 
Dood didn't you Lie about putting these rims on your Fake Bike after your Fake Broken Back. Are you Trying to make us beleave your not Full of shittttttt.

+1 since Feanor was royally busted for making up pretty much everything he/she/it wrote, why should anybody give a rats ass about anything he/she/it writes now :wt
 
Since jury is still out on Feanor and his posts, I'll chime in about forged al Marchesini's:

Walking the bike alone shows the difference in ease of turning the front end, but yes, at relatively low speeds, it may not be discernable to the stock units. However, at high-speed riding (especially at the track) you can't NOT notice how much easier it is to turn the bike.

Also, and I may be imagining this, but the Marchesini's retain the air pressure on the tires a whole lot better than OEM units. I found myself going longer without checking my tire pressures before riding. In fact, I can't remember the last time I did and should probably check them now, but I doubt they'd be off-spec.
 
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