Messing Around While Riding

[tzrider]

The difference is that what I do when I ride has no direct or immediate effect on others.

Actually, all of the things you mentioned above have the potential to affect others. Some of them may have without you ever knowing.

A practical joke, of course does affect others, or it's a failure. But the effect is supposed to be a little inconvenient and hopefully funny to all involved. Some people aren't into practical jokes and it sounds like you may be such a person. I promise never to kill switch you.

 

[ST Guy]

I'm in ST Guy's corner on this issue.

 

[hyo650]

True.

The difference is that what I do when I ride has no direct or immediate effect on others. The intent of the action isn't to mess with anyone else. (Though that's not to say that something couldn't happen, we all know it does.)

However, deliberately messing with someone or their ride is a direct and immediate intrusion with immediate consequenses. Hopefully the consequenses are benign and not dire.

Except those double yellows that you cross.....


Althought, generally speaking, i'm on your side on this one...


Something about people in glass houses comes to mind...

 

[planegray]

I'm in ST Guy's corner on this issue.

I'm in your corner too, ST Guy. If you don't wish to participate in the horseplay, people should respect that

 

[ST Guy]

Actually, all of the things you mentioned above have the potential to affect others. Some of them may have without you ever knowing.

A practical joke, of course does affect others, or it's a failure. But the effect is supposed to be a little inconvenient and hopefully funny to all involved. Some people aren't into practical jokes and it sounds like you may be such a person. I promise never to kill switch you.

Yes, everything mentioned has the potential for dire outcomes. One weighs the risks and benefits. And one has to consider that if something is done to someone else, that the risk is next to non-existent. I just don't see that being the case when you're out on public roads, in traffic, with bozos all around you.

As for practical jokes, I can assure you that I'm definately into them. Around the office, I'm known for them. Legendary, in fact. But they're all extremely safe and non threatening. Which doesn't make them any less funny, by the way.

 

[Lunch Box]

For the record, I fully agree that this sort of horseplay should ONLY occur if poth parties will find it humorous. I would never dream of killswitching someone who might possibly react negatively. On that we can agree. That's where our agreement ends, however. To each his own.

 

[mean dad]

There we go....."relatively safely".

lol, seriously? too bad no one else in this thread made mention of doing shit like this relatively safely...oh wait...

.....Never in traffic/curves/town etc.

Time and place are very important here....

.....trusted friends and riding buddies. Not too many people I trust that much.

Some get it, some don't. And some of you act like we do it in heavy traffic, we don't. ......

....yeah its all about time and place. ....

And thanks for the sentiment. The moderators might be interested in that one. Who shoved a catus up your behind?

ahahaha you're gonna snitch on me cause I told you to fuck off?!?



edit to add: no one shoved a cactus up my behind. I took umbrage with your instant supposition that any bit of shenanigans on a moto is a one-way ticket to death and dismemberment, while completely ignoring the fact that safety was a priority by virtually every poster.
your view is that hitting a kill switch = death. fucking idiocy, and I called it like I saw it.

 

[Lunch Box]

Ok, I agree with ST Guy on two points, actually. The second one being that Mean Dad should definitely fuck off.

Kev, when are we going riding, dammit! Remember: you have to catch me to kill switch me.

 

[mean dad]

what? did st guy tell me to fuck off? cause I'll hella tattle tale on his behind!

 

[Lunch Box]

what? did st guy tell me to fuck off? cause I'll hella tattle tale on his behind!

Oh wait, it was the other way around. Either way, you should definitely fuck off, Kev. Don't go snitching on me, either. I'll cut you while you sleep. :|

 

[NorCal Factory]

The more the fun - the closer to darwin-isim you get. That's just the game we play.

 

[tzrider]

I just don't see that being the case when you're out on public roads, in traffic, with bozos all around you.

Some of these pranks are the kind of thing that starts to happen when a certain kind of personality decides they've gotten good enough at something to thumb their nose at certain safety conventions.

This isn't speculation; I have that personality. When I and some like minded friends have gotten pretty good at something, we sometimes mess around. It's a way of mutually stating that we're all good enough to cope with this extra distraction. It usually an inclusive gesture; a way of saying, we're part of the same club.

Most people will never see that side of me and probably perceive me to be very steady and safe. A few know there is a screw or two loose.

About 15 years ago I was rock climbing with a friend at a local crag. I was leading a pitch and two cute girls walked by while he was belaying. I happened to glance down and saw him with his eyes off me.

Instead of saying anything, I caught the girls' eyes, grinned and jumped. Took about a 15 foot fall and scared the living shit out of my friend. The girls and I died laughing and my friend never took his eyes off me again.

 

[ST Guy]

I took umbrage with your instant supposition that any bit of shenanigans on a moto is a one-way ticket to death and dismemberment, while completely ignoring the fact that safety was a priority by virtually every poster.
your view is that hitting a kill switch = death. fucking idiocy, and I called it like I saw it.

First off, I never said anything about it being a one-way ticket to death and dismemberment. Geez. All I said was that there is risk and I, for one, think riders should not put that added risk on another rider. They've got enough risk just being out on the bike.

And sure, there can be times when it's safe, but I'm also hearing about shenanigans while riding. Hitting a kill switch when stopped at a light is one thing, hitting it while riding or otherwise getting close to another rider while riding on public streets is another. My view is NOT "hitting a kill switch = death". 'Never said that.

And is it really idiocy to take note of risk? Methinks you made a lot of assumptions.

 

[ST Guy]

what? did st guy tell me to fuck off? cause I'll hella tattle tale on his behind!

Nope. All I did was note your rude response in my post.

 

[mean dad]

First off, I never said anything about it being a one-way ticket to death and dismemberment. Geez. All I said was that there is risk and I, for one, think riders should not put that added risk on another rider. They've got enough risk just being out on the bike.

And sure, there can be times when it's safe, but I'm also hearing about shenanigans while riding. Hitting a kill switch when stopped at a light is one thing, hitting it while riding or otherwise getting close to another rider while riding on public streets is another. My view is NOT "hitting a kill switch = death". 'Never said that.

And is it really idiocy to take note of risk? Methinks you made a lot of assumptions.

Let's take a quick look, shall we?

Fuck no! And you and your buddies are dumb as you know what for doing it, IMHO. You may get away with it for awhile, but how are you going to feel if you try something some day and one of your friends or maybe your brother dies?

Even the "simple" kill switch trick could be disastrous. Like you hit his kill switch and don't notice the car or truck running the stop sign from the side street. You motor on oblivious and laughing. Your friend or brother, because of the small delay you cause him gets run over and dies. Think about it.

Nuff said.

Pansy-ass??? And yes, done at the wrong time in the wrong place, death could be the result. Or serious injury. And if you can't see that could happen, I feel sorry for you.

I ride my own ride and I sure as fuck don't fuck with others ride.

Nobody to blame but yourselves.......

How's that going to feel if something goes wrong? "Oh, I'm sorry I fucked up you big time. 'Hope you heal up fast and can ride again some day."
And for the record, while some may ride "scared", I sure as fuck don't ride scared. I love riding and it's fun as hell. And I don't ride slow either. And I love street riding for the challenges it provides getting from point A to point B safely. But I also know that riding is a risk every time get on the bike. There's enough risk and danger riding without increasing that risk for someone else for stupid pranks.

huh, sure seems like you equate pranks with certain death, or at least debilitating injury..

 

[Daks]

I would never do it, nor would I ever want it done to me, but so long as no one is endangering anyone and anyone's property but themselves and their own, then that's their business.

 

[tzrider]

I would never do it, nor would I ever want it done to me, but so long as no one is endangering anyone and anyone's property but themselves and their own, then that's their business.

Could you try to be a little more polarizing, please?

 

[ST Guy]

Let's take a quick look, shall we?
.......huh, sure seems like you equate pranks with certain death, or at least debilitating injury..

OK, let's look at my posts.

You quoted and bolded this bit:

"Even the "simple" kill switch trick could be disastrous. Like you hit his kill switch and don't notice the car or truck running the stop sign from the side street. You motor on oblivious and laughing. Your friend or brother, because of the small delay you cause him gets run over and dies. Think about it."


Did you notice I said "could be" disastrous? 'Never said it would likely happen or anything like that. I said "could be". And if you can't see that doing something like that adds risk, well..........

Then you quote and bold:

"Pansy-ass??? And yes, done at the wrong time in the wrong place, death could be the result. Or serious injury. And if you can't see that could happen, I feel sorry for you."

So I guess you're sayin' that if done at the wrong time/place, bad shit couldn't happen?

And again your quote and bold:

"How's that going to feel if something goes wrong? "Oh, I'm sorry I fucked up you big time. 'Hope you heal up fast and can ride again some day."

Again, you seem to have missed the "if". yet again.

Try reading everything I post and maybe you'll see things in a different light.

Bottom line, sheananigans like those described throughout this thread have added risk and the potential for things to go terribly wrong. 'Not sayin' they will and never did. 'Just sayin' there's risk and potential and frankly, in many cases, it's much more than some young bucks think.

I don't know how old you are, but it's a fact that the centers of the brain that evaluate risk and mitigation of that risk do not fully develop in the male brain until the very late 20s, even later. And that colors the actions of a great many hear on BARF.

 

[1RUN]

Sometimes I'll just ride up to my buddy and blow his face off with a shotgun - gets em everytime What a hoot!

 

[mean dad]

that you ignore the relative skill levels and precautions involved show me that you're doing a lot more than mentioning possible outcomes. your first post says "And you and your buddies are dumb as you know what for doing it, IMHO"

you come across as a worry-wart, not a precautionary princess. to me, it reads as though you're assuming everyone is less than twenty, with pre-developed brain centers. to me, the ones posting about doing these childish antics have better than fifteen years of riding under their belt, and they seem to have a solid grasp on the 'chances' they're taking.

and you nailed it on my age, btw. dead nuts accurate.