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Moto Discrimination in Renting

I figured full disclosure would be the best for long-term stuff. If they think I'm a cool guy while I'm signing the lease and end up being a hater when I put my bikes in, that would be kind of a problem.

Being straight forward, candid, blunt, however you want to describe it, is the best way. That's how things should be in life and in work. Lay the cards on the table and let things fall where they fall.

Relationships (personal and business) last longer that way.
 
You need to write a short story for City Bike about this.

Just saying.
 
Come live with me we can both put our bikes in my garage :)

No cars though. I discriminate that way. Are cars a protected class?
 
I figured nobody in general would want to read my whiny self righteous bullshit :p

You may be harboring a serious ability to create. Maybe you just need an agent and more time to write.
 
It has less to do with the noise, and the mechanic admission, and more to do with the perception of what kind of person you are PERCEIVED to be.

Landlords always look for every single sign they can that they won't have to be dealing with a headache down the road. Evictions are a pain in the ass, and so they can often go overboard looking for an over-the-top angelic, salt of the earth type with perfect credit and 3 degrees. Background checks and people who look great on paper can often mean very little these days when it comes to indicating if a person is clean, orderly, and pays rent on time. So its common to look for "signs"

For a non-motorcyclist, the perception of who you are is based heavily on the stigma of your motorcycles (it isn't just confined to the road) Unless you're Don Trump Rich, your motorcycles are a sign of recklessness and irresponsibility. Of course this is not true, but perception is reality to almost everyone, and for a landlord, who has to deal with the complications of a potentially bad tenant, they can often be hypersensitive to any sign that is not purely positive. If they don't ride, then riding a motorcycle is not a positive sign.

Of course that's completely unfair and rarely accurate, but its there because of the portrayal on the news and in the media and the few asshats on bikes that give all other riders a bad name, and for some reason, the bad things are always so much easier to believe.

The landlords don't know you, so they do what most humans do instead; they judge you. It's the downside of riding, and many other things besides.

We all do it in some form. If you were going to buy a bike and had no idea how it was maintained, but when you drove up to the house and the owner was vacuuming his garage and the the entire garage was spotless clean, you'd get a very warm fuzzy about the condition of the bike, even though there might be absolutely no correlation to the condition of the garage and the condition of the bike. Your belief is driven by your perception.

The biggest thing you have to contend with unfortunately, is that the next rental application is going to be from a middle aged guy driving a Camry and all other things being equal, your application is going to be placed under his. Getting angry about it is about all one can do :(

I would wager that rental discrimination against motorcycle riders is actually very prevalent. I know this because I associate with landlords, and I hear what they say in conversation. Adding to the problem is that this kind of discrimination can rarely if ever be proven, especially in a time of housing shortage.
 
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People don't like bikers. They think we are all hooligans.

I was trying to rent a place and the landlord gave us the stink eye as soon as he seen my friend and I pull up. And we were on new bikes, one of them was a $30k Panigale Tricolore, he still thought of us as hooligans.

Now I use a car.
 
People don't like bikers. They think we are all hooligans.

I was trying to rent a place and the landlord gave us the stink eye as soon as he seen my friend and I pull up. And we were on new bikes, one of them was a $30k Panigale Tricolore, he still thought of us as hooligans.
Now I use a car.
haven't figured this out yet? Never, ever, tell anyone you ride motorcycles. Especially a boss, co-worker, landlord, etc. You will lose.

My last job I drove the car for 3 years to work. They never knew. Then one day I had to get the car worked on, so rode the ZX12R to work.

On break fellow co-worker/rider told me to look out the window. Yes, the boss & sub-boss were out there with a bunch of managers. I'm like "uh-oh."

A few weeks later "sorry your position was eliminated." Of course this was immediately after I trained a rookie....

Keep quiet, keep safe.
 
haven't figured this out yet? Never, ever, tell anyone you ride motorcycles. Especially a boss, co-worker, landlord, etc. You will lose.

My last job I drove the car for 3 years to work. They never knew. Then one day I had to get the car worked on, so rode the ZX12R to work.

On break fellow co-worker/rider told me to look out the window. Yes, the boss & sub-boss were out there with a bunch of managers. I'm like "uh-oh."

A few weeks later "sorry your position was eliminated." Of course this was immediately after I trained a rookie....

Keep quiet, keep safe.

Seriously? Most of my colleagues are interested in the bikes and/or my adventures on them. I've never felt my job threatened because I ride a motorcycle. Out of curiosity, what sort of work do you do? I'm in biotech/biopharma. I can't even imagine being turned down for a job or, worse, fired from a job because I ride. Seems far fetched.
 
You may be harboring a serious ability to create. Maybe you just need an agent and more time to write.

I've always been a decent writer. If CityBike wants me I'd be glad to contribute.

People don't like bikers. They think we are all hooligans.

I'm not trying to prove them wrong, I just don't want them to find out :rofl
 
Seriously? -snip- Seems far fetched.

Well not my thread, I didn't want to get into details here. Suffice to say I've had a lot of jobs working almost 1/2 a century. At least two of them I directly lost because the boss/management didn't like bikes. A third was a maybe, but pretty sure thats what it was.

I'd explain the torrid details in another thread or if OP wants to hear. But here's the #1 example. 11-year job (long-term 73'-84'), got hurt in a AFM race in 1984' (broken hand, foot, & several ribs.)

Boss says "better come to work soon or I'll have to replace you!" Well I couldn't walk or use crutches for over a month I was so beat up from an endo/big-tumble @ 90+ mph. I finally got to shakily use crutches & went to work a month later, & I had been replaced. I guess it's the only thing he could do w/a small company- but I was pretty upset for a long time...

I have a few more examples but you catch the drift... A co. owner can do whatever he wants. He can fire you cuz you ride a bike that goes almost 200mph, or because you get hurt on a bike in a race. My boss was all gung-ho w.me bringing in trophies every race weekend. Until I got hurt...:thumbdown

-ebd
 
EastBayDave,

Is that legal? If someone gets injured outside of work and can't work for a period of time they can just be fired even if it were not moto related?

I'm guessing the answer is probably yes and if it is no it's not legal it probably still happens all the time anyway but I'm really wondering.
 
yea this reminds me of back in the day, when i lived in a apt with my first moto....

at the first complex was like, well in the past we had HD gatherings and club members - dunno if HA or just a HOG club, that would disturb the neighbors - coming in like 20 deep and all revving their motors when parking or leaving - u know common moto practices - i wouldnt say trying 2 be really annoying but just common practice, you blip the throttle waiting for you buddies like "common lets go"

so overall that has left a sour taste in her/owners/residents mouths she said I could own a motorcycle but it could not be parked ON the streets of our apartment complex - nor the carport that i had either, well there was a problem since if owned one and i couldnt park it anywhere wtf was i gonna do. Simple she cleared out a utility shed like 1.5blocks away from my complex on the side street facing a church and charged me an additional $50 a month.

i paid but also parked the moto in the living room most of the time xD

i had friends come over on bikes all the time, and she never harassed me once, however i made sure no bikes were left on the streets overnight just to avoid the lecture and bickering
 
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EastBayDave,

Is that legal? If someone gets injured outside of work and can't work for a period of time they can just be fired even if it were not moto related?

I'm guessing the answer is probably yes and if it is no it's not legal it probably still happens all the time anyway but I'm really wondering.

Smaller companies have much more leeway than larger ones. Generally speaking, larger companies will hold the job while an employee is out on STD (Short Term Disability). Once it converts to LTD (Long Term Disability) they can choose to fill it before the employee returns, and it's legal to do so if the position is critical. Happens all the time. Even though California is an "At-will employment" state, most companies consult a labor attorney prior to making the decision.
 
at the first complex was like, well in the past we had HD gatherings and club members - dunno if HA or just a HOG club, that would disturb the neighbors - coming in like 20 deep and all revving their motors when parking or leaving - u know common moto practices - i wouldnt say trying 2 be really annoying but just common practice, you blip the throttle waiting for you buddies like "common lets go"

The whole world is full of morons with cars who honk outside to get their girlfriends/illegitimate kids/pimps/whatever to come outside, and no one bans cars from an apartment complex.

Those people tempt me to run outside with a baseball bat screaming "don't you have a phone?!"
 
a little hard to read the sign, but this is what greeted me when I was looking at condo's in Belmont:

No Motorcycles

Not surprised since it's Belmont, but don't recall ever seeing it so blunt.
 
Reason I keep working my ass off to stay in an at value home. Nobody can pull this shit on me.

I do have rules though. You see I have a gravel driveway and I have to let it cool off before I roll it into the living room. Otherwise it brings in gravel and that's annoying. Sticky tires do that.
 
I think the discrimination is understandable. If some dude came up in a riced out civic to apply for an apartment I was renting, that would cause me to think twice. It's simply a matter of perception.

Having a good paying job, a daughter and being able to put on a good show, I've never had issues getting apartments. I also keep my business to myself and I'm not trying to show anyone I'm a DIY moto mechanic/rider.

Now, if I saw that the property owner had a motorcycle, or some sign of owning motorcycles, I may ask them if they did and go from there. Otherwise, I've got a family sedan and I'm Mr. Clean Cut.
 
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