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My first.....I'm not a virgin anymore...

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There are a lot of things people do (including many great racers) that are " technically incorrect" but are sworn by. I believed for years I was suppose to" scrub in" new tires swearving side to side or doing figure 8's in a parking lot . See plenty of racers do it. Still doesn't make it right. At best it cleans off road debris and at worst a poor break in.
That said, my PACE was spot on for the conditions. I think I went thru the corner around 25 mph, very easy.
I ride here often, As I stated, I have had the rear slip on the painted line several times in the middle of summer. I also stated taking a different line (ie, double apex) would take that line out of play and provide a better exit position in the lane.
come on up and I can show you:)
DT, out.
 
The intent of the Crash Analysis Forum is to be a safe place for riders to come and discuss the elements related to the crash. Let's stay focused on the elements of the crash and leave out the sarcasm and snide comments.
 
DT...your pace was, and always is, spot on!! :thumbup More parts arrived today, so she should be operational this weekend :teeth :ride
 
Fixed.:thumbup


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The intent of the Crash Analysis Forum is to be a safe place for riders to come and discuss the elements related to the crash. Let's stay focused on the elements of the crash and leave out the sarcasm , overzealous speculation and snide comments.
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Lonny
 
No snide or overzealous comments intended - but it sounds like Greg says he didn't think he was doing anything wrong so wants to know by asking what may have caused the crash, and was speculating it was the fog line. Meanwhile dtrides says he had the perfect pace and so does Greg, yet somehow Greg fell off. I simply offered up more points to ponder like those who asked if tire pressure had been checked or asked if Greg was off the throttle. I'll bet Greg thinks about all the points everyone who posted offered up on his next ride. Why not ask for as many viewpoints as possible in a forum such as this, or perhaps even give the instructors from his recent school a call? No one wants to fall off or wish that on anyone. By posting a request I would hope one would be open to as many ideas or responses offered. On the flip side I know that as a respondant that I should be open to feedback regarding how I posed my responses to Greg's inquiry. I appologize if anyone was offended by my suggestions or comments!
 
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You didn't fall from the fog line. .
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Sorry, this threw me off.
You did make some good points. I just didn't want to confuse him with input that might not apply to his situation.
At this point there is only guesstimation of all the factors that contributed to his fall. We do know that lean angle, breaking, throttle control and road surface may have been involved.....:teethDT
 
tires

I only ride on dunlop race tires...other tires loose grip too fast, no warning...just down. I would rather destroy a set of tire than my bike...think about it.
 
whoisdoug said:
I only ride on dunlop race tires...other tires loose grip too fast, no warning...just down. I would rather destroy a set of tire than my bike...think about it.
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This crash had nothing to do with the brand of the tires.
 
I'm suprised to hear people actually cross those lines at all!

I'm paranoid about anything with paint in it - on a twisty road I treat any painted line like it's the edge of the road - never go over it.. Mentally, those lines are totally off-limits to me..

Even on the freeway, like if I'm illegally entering the carpool lane or otherwise crossing over continuous painted lines - I bank the bike toward the other lane, then pull it back upright just before I cross over the line to make sure that even a small lean angle doesn't lead to slippage ..

Turns at traffic lights, where I'm passing through the crosswalk markings and such also spook me and I take it very easy over those as well..
 
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Wow....my post had made it to 4 pages :cool
Let's see, first they were Dunlop Q2s with lots of room still left of them. They performed great at Keith Code, both on my bike and the BMW.

As for the line, sure it was the main culprit to what happened, second to me. There can only be the two factors. Pace was great, the road was clear of any scree or debris. I remember lookin at the line, and it seemed fine. I mean we've all been on them before, right? :) I'm sure it was that and lean angle, and maybe even the descending slope of the road, to just combine and give out. (or maybe it just the stars lined up to give me my first lesson?)

Finally, say what you want, after all it is a learning experience. And I am thick-skinned. I'll read it all, but value what said by those known and trusted:) (you know who you are)

Rock on!! and I can't wait to be back on my mistress
GOJO
 
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This crash had nothing to do with the brand of the tires.
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But what if they were Shinkos? :laughing
GregWantsYZFun said:
Wow....my post had made it to 4 pages :cool
Let's see, first they were Dunlop Q2s with lots of room still left of them. They performed great at Keith Code, both on my bike and the BMW.

As for the line, sure it was the main culprit to what happened, second to me. There can only be the two factors. Pace was great, the road was clear of any scree or debris. I remember lookin at the line, and it seemed fine. I mean we've all been on them before, right? :) I'm sure it was that and lean angle, and maybe even the descending slope of the road, to just combine and give out. (or maybe it just the stars lined up to give me my first lesson?)

Finally, say what you want, after all it is a learning experience. And I am thick-skinned. I'll read it all, but value what said by those known and trusted:) (you know who you are)

Rock on!! and I can't wait to be back on my mistress
GOJO
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It's hard ta say without be'in there, but after reading all 4 pages my guess (And it's only a guess) is that you weren't relaxed at the bars, you fought the bike, and the bike won?
The fog line prolly contributed too? (I highsided my KLR from hit'in a damp fog line once. :teeth )
You should be able to scrape pegs, even with cold tires, but if yer "heavy" on the bars fight'in the thang, she'll let go on you every time. :thumbup
If yer suspension is still set for the track, that can cause it to "snap" out from under ya too.
There's my contribution, now you owe me :2cents
 
Hey BB, I hear what your sayin', but man, I gotta tell ya....I was so relaxed on this turn. I might even have been doin' 'chicken-wings' just before it slipped. And when it did slip, it was instant!! I felt so good going into this thing, speed was slow, looking into turn, just really enjoying the moment.....when WTF!!! next thing I was sliding on my back, saying to myself, "Wow, this gear works great...man that's a shitty sound of a bike scraping....so this is my first crash....well I've stopped sliding, let's get off the road."
In all, it was a great experience, and I'm glad it happened this way, and with friends.
Here's your change. LOL
 
GregWantsYZFun said:
Hey BB, I hear what your sayin', but man, I gotta tell ya....I was so relaxed on this turn. I might even have been doin' 'chicken-wings' just before it slipped. And when it did slip, it was instant!! I felt so good going into this thing, speed was slow, looking into turn, just really enjoying the moment.....when WTF!!! next thing I was sliding on my back, saying to myself, "Wow, this gear works great...man that's a shitty sound of a bike scraping....so this is my first crash....well I've stopped sliding, let's get off the road."
In all, it was a great experience, and I'm glad it happened this way, and with friends.
Here's your change. LOL
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And you softened up yer suspension since the track day? Once again a stiff suspension can make the tire snap out. A soft (Or proper) set up for conditions will give you better mechanical grip & be more forgiving.
 
Suspension was set-up by Dave Moss about 9 months ago, and left that way for Code School. Nothing new or surprising there.
 
GregWantsYZFun said:
Suspension was set-up by Dave Moss about 9 months ago, and left that way for Code School. Nothing new or surprising there.
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Well I'm at a loss!
DT hit the paint stripe, no problem.
You were relaxed, with good kinda warm tires w/ proper inflation. Yer suspension's good. Yer on a road ya know, not going too fast.
That would suck crashing and not knowing why.
 
How many times I gotta tell Ya?
It was the loose nut behind the bars! :rofl:rofl
 
After reading all the posts on this thread my 2cents worth is that reduced traction is the culprit. Whether it was from the fog line or not I can't tell but in my many years of sport riding every time I've either low sided or had the tires step way out of line (enough to really scare me) Ive gone back to the section of road and found in every case there was something (sand, tar snake,water, dampness etc.) on the surface that wasn't present in other turns leading to the loss of traction.
 
fuldog said:
After reading all the posts on this thread my 2cents worth is that reduced traction is the culprit. Whether it was from the fog line or not I can't tell but in my many years of sport riding every time I've either low sided or had the tires step way out of line (enough to really scare me) Ive gone back to the section of road and found in every case there was something (sand, tar snake,water, dampness etc.) on the surface that wasn't present in other turns leading to the loss of traction.
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So why did the other motorcycles make it through the turn before him?

Wouldn't it be more helpful to recognize areas that may have reduced traction ahead of time, and either aviod them or ride in a manner that won't overcome the traction that is available?
 
I don't really think anyone else spent as much time on the line as I did. Crossed it, as opposed to going with it, like I did. It was also a descending turn?? Isn't "reduced traction" the cause of ALL low-sides?? :wtf :twofinger

Lonny....the nuts have been tightened....and may be turning blue :laughing
 
Ah.... kind of a lesson to remember. I remember my first crash, a nasty piece of high side that would have made Randy Mamola proud. Still analyzing it, and it happened in 1993.

So for me the lesson was don't forget you had a lesson. Even if you don't really know what that lesson taught you.

Ride Fast. Ride Hard. Ride Safely.... :D
 
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