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Need so advice from leos, Faliure to yield to Ped in Xwalk - 21950 A

Don Tuite said:
>>MM4L: . . . as well as how the ped did nothing to indicate they had given up their right of way.<<

As a pedestrian, how can I indicate to a driver/rider that I'm yielding him the ROW?

Don

Stepping back up on to the curb. Making eye-contact and waiving a hand in a "pass-by" motion to indicate to the driver to proceed past in their path. Even nodding to a driver and adjusting their stride or path to accomodate them could be reasonably construed as indications a ped is waiving their ROW.

It is not an uncommon (but usually unsuccessful) defense. Unless you have the ped there to testify on your behalf, the intent of the ped could not be considered by the court. I had a guy claim that a ped that jumped out of his way to narrowly avoid a collision had demonstrated his itent to waive his ROW, based upon his present ability and "willingness" to make way for his vehicle as it passed by in the crosswalk. Even the judge laughed at that one.
 
Junkie said:
are you allowed to enter any part of the crosswalk before they are out of it? How about cross it when they have not yet gotten there, but are still a couple lanes away?
Okay, there is this whole concept of "way" that I explain to officers before we go out and do these crosswalk stings. For some it is quite difficult to understand.

I thought I had explained it here (on BARF) once, but I was unable to find it in my search. So here goes.

First off, let me restate the applicable code section for pedestrian violations
21950(a) CVC – Right-of-Way at Crosswalks - The driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within any marked crosswalk or within any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection.

21951 CVC – Vehicles Stopped for Pedestrians - When a vehicle is stopped at a marked or unmarked crosswalk at an intersection to allow a pedestrian to cross the roadway, vehicles approaching from the rear shall not overtake and pass the stopped vehicle.

Also, what is a crosswalk? Many people mistakenly assume that a crosswalk exists only where there are heavy white or yellow lines painted on the street. In fact, crosswalks exist at all corners where public streets intersect at approximately right angles as the extension of the sidewalk across the street. Crosswalks also exist or places (such as mid-block) where they are marked on the road. (refer to 275 CVC for the definition).

Okay, now on to "way."

Right-of-Way is a common law concept regarding a statutory right granted to a vehicle or entity, to proceed ahead of another via a path or route that may lawfully be used.

We all understand the "right" part, it is the "way" part that seems to be lost on some. Think of a vehicle and a pedestrian as two bodies in motion. Each casts a "shadow" in their direction of travel. The length of the shadow is relative to the speed and stopping ability of the body. The width of the shadow is relative to the maneuverability of the body. So, in this example, a fast car would then leave a long and relatively narrow shadow while a faster motorcycle might leave a slightly longer and wider shadow, where a pedestrian would likely leave much shorter and relatively wider shadow.

Lets take a car traveling 25 mph in a 25 mph zone. I'm going to cast a shadow about 25 to 30 feet ahead of the car and a few feet to the left and right of the front fender. Now, let's take a ped walking at 2 mph. I'm going to cast the shadow about 6 to 10 feet ahead of the ped and a few feet to both sides and behind. As the car proceeds forward, the shadow stretches out ahead of it. As it speeds up, the shadow lengthens and as it slows down, it shortens. Place this car on a roadway and send it from point A to point B. As the shadow (or "way") of this vehicle intersects or collides with the shadows of other vehicles, the drivers must determine who's shadow has priority (right) and adjust their shadow to each other in accordance with the law and their comfort level.

Now, we have a pedestrian step out into the roadway when unsafe, s/he is running across lanes outside a crosswalk. They have no right to be where they are. Their “way” can easily be violated unintentionally by cars that could not have reasonably seen or had ample opportunity to react and adjust their speed and direction to reasonably avoid the ped. In this case, all parties are expected to exercise due care, and the mere fact that the ped is proceeding unlawfully does not relieve any approaching drivers from their responsibility to avoid causing harm if at all reasonably possible.

Now, take a ped in a crosswalk (marked or unmarked) that is not controlled by any signals. The ped looks and sees it is clear or that any approaching vehicles have ample time/distance to yield as required by law. The ped initiates their trip across the roadway in the crosswalk. Now, any vehicles approaching, must consider the ped's "way" and how it may intersect with their "way" and yield their "way" to the ped if they reasonably perceive a conflict between them.

At this point, it is worth mentioning that it is the duty of both the ped and the driver to be LOOKING FOR potential conflict and to exercise due care. This means saying, "I didn't see the ped until I was 10 feet away" when you could have seen the ped for over 150 feet and should have realized the ped was exercising their "way" when you were 80 feet away, is the same as saying, "I clearly was not exercising due care and was driving inattentively."

So, with this theory, a ped crossing a 6-lane roadway (such as El Camino Real or Mission Blvd.), a 35 mph zone with a raised center median and 10'- "11' wide lanes, has a duty to ensure there are no vehicles in the first 1 or 2 lanes ahead of them that have any vehicle approaching within 80 to 120 feet. Once they see their way is clear and no vehicles are approaching in the 3rd lane (the #1 lane) at an unsafe speed that may preclude them from continuing to the center island safely, then they can proceed to the median. As they cross, their way extends out ahead of them. As they cross the #3 lane, their way is in the #2 lane ahead of them. As they enter the #2 lane, their way extends into the #1 lane and as they reach the middle of the #2 lane, they briefly exercise control over the whole 3 lanes that direction. Once they reach the #1 lane, and show no indication of turning back, I don't see a problem with vehicles passing by safely in the #3 lane (well behind the ped) without interfering with the Ped's lawful "way."

Similarly, once the ped reaches the median, I would have no problem allowing traffic to proceed at a safe speed in the #2 lane behind the ped, so long as the ped has given no indication of turning back. As for the #1 lane, I would not consider it safe to zip by at 35-40 mph in the #1, right up against the ped's back. I might drive by slowly, while watching the ped, I might remain stopped, depending upon the age of the ped, the width of the median and how confident I am that the ped will be immediately continuing from the median without delay. If there is no median, I'm going to remain stopped until the ped is about 1/2 way into the next lane, giving me a buffer of approx. 6 to 8 feet behind the ped as I pass by.

Anyhow, once the ped reaches the median (a place of relative safety), they would again assess the approaching traffic. In this case, they are not starting from a curb where they may or may not have been intending to cross and had not shown a tangible intention to cross until they actually entered the crosswalk, they are obviously committed to a crossing and approaching traffic in the remaining lanes has had ample opportunity to see and react to the ped as they crossed the other 3 lanes. So, while the ped does have an obligation to continue to proceed in a safe and prudent manner before leaving the median (place of safety), they have already exercised significant right of way, in full view of approaching traffic. There should be no question as to the intent of the pedestrian as they are IN the crosswalk and have been IN the crosswalk for a while. So, the pedestrian should not step out into the path of traffic, but this does not mean that the peds hesitation should be construed as a license to violate their right of way, as their "way" is now occupying the #1 lane ahead of them (at the very least) and the driver(s) in the #1 lane should have anticipated yielding while the ped was crossing to the median.

So, the ped sees it is safe to proceed and their actions will not be a hazard. They may be surveying traffic and make their determination before they reach the median. In cases such as this, the ped may well proceed without delay. As they start into the #1 lane from the median, their "way" quickly extends out into the #2 lane ahead of them. The question arises at this point as to whether vehicles can proceed in the #3 lane, ahead of the ped, if THEY feel the ped is not as risk. Keep in mind, this is a fluid situation and in reality, the ped has the “right of way” in the crosswalk per statute. It is going to be something that is up to the officer as to how far that ped’s “way” extended once they established themselves in the crosswalk. It would likely depend upon the speed of the ped and the driver’s proximity to the ped when the ped started from the far curb and then from the median. If the driver had ample opportunity to perceive and stop, then an officer may feel the peds “way” extended to the curb once they left the far curb or the median. It is a judgment call. I don’t consider the ped’s “way to be 60-80’ ahead of them. I believe a car can proceed in the path of the ped so long as it does not endanger the ped and the ped does not feel a need to adjust their path or speed to preserve a safety buffer (that 2 or 3 feet of personal space). Again, it may just boil down to the speed and aggressiveness of the driver verses the apparent constitution of the ped.

A cautious and slow driving car can do more near and around an able-bodied and decisive adult verses an aggressive and fast car can in the vicinity of a small child, a frail senior citizen or a baby stroller being pushed along in the crosswalk.

Officers doing regular patrol enforcement as well as ped-sting operations must use their discretion as to the validity of each citation they issue. If they do not feel 100% about the violation, they should issue a verbal or written warning. They must constantly weigh the law verses the reasonableness or unreasonableness of the actions or inactions of the ped and/or driver. Visibility, weather, sight lines and many other factors all come into play in situations such as this. Will the ped reach the #2 lane before the vehicle passes by? Will the ped make it to the #3 lane and need to adjust their speed to avoid a collision? Will the tail of the vehicle (rear bumper) be uncomfortably close to the ped as they reach the far edge of #2 lane or the near edge of the #3 lane?

Strict enforcement would dictate that once the ped leaves the median and enters the #1 lane, any vehicles that are at a reasonable distance to yield should yield the path of the ped and not proceed until the ped has moved out of their path and it is safe to proceed on their way.

As for the situation that initiated this thread, if the rider was more concerned with a police motorcycle exiting a driveway ahead than a nearby ped that had already reached the center median, I would submit that the reason they shifted their concern was that they did not see the ped as a threat. This does not relieve them of their duty to yield to a non-threatening ped. As, yielding would solve BOTH problems at the same time. If the rider did not see the ped because they were distracted, that is a good example of someone NOT keeping a good visual horizon and NOT being the alert and proactive operator they should be.

Looking as far up the road as you can see is an important part of defensive driving. Keeping a good visual horizon gives you more opportunity to adjust to conditions and situations before they become emergencies. It should also reduce the need for sharp or dramatic steering input as well as panic braking. Moreover, driver inattention is not a defense for failure to yield. Like most traffic infractions, failure to yield is a “general intent” crime and not a “specific intent” crime. This means the driver did not need to form a conscious plan or decide they wanted to violate the ped’s right of way. The mere fact that their right of way was violated is sufficient for a crime to have occurred.
 
>>MM4L: ". . . Unless you have the ped there to testify on your behalf, the intent of the ped could not be considered by the court."<<

Taken with what you said just before, ". . . Even nodding to a driver and adjusting their stride or path to accomodate them could be reasonably construed as indications a ped is waiving their ROW." has me confused.

Say I'm standing in a crosswalk because I've stepped off a curb. I've done that because there's a big truck parked to my left that I can't see around. I peek around the front of the truck and see a lone vehicle coming down the street.

The driver of that vehicle sees me and starts to slow down. I figure I'd rather wait until he passes before I cross, so I wave him on, and he nods to me and continues through the crosswalk.

I think you just said that a LEO could choose to cite the driver, and that unless I went to court with the driver, many judges would find the driver guilty.

Then putting myslelf in the driver's position, is it prudent to ignore any pedestrian's action (apart from stepping back onto the curb) and stop regardless?

Don
(To NorCalBusa: I'm fairly round, myself.)
 
As a ped, you should take your right of way or get on the sidewalk and let the car pass. As a driver, you should yield right of way or HOPE either the cop sees the ped waive you past or the ped comes over to the stop and pleads your case for you.

If the ped comes over and the officer cites you anyhow, the officer may be willing to stipulate in court that the ped had come over and plead your case, advising they had waived their ROW.

If the officer stops you and says he saw the ped waive you past, but he's going to write you anyhow, you could ask him in court if he recalled mentioning that he had observed... blah, blah, blah. But, your unsubstantiated claim that a mystery ped that the officer did not see had somehow signalled you that they were waiving their ROW will not be admissable as evidence.

It is better if peds assert themselves (without throwing themselves into harm's way). As it is, the vehicles have been asserting themselves for so long, it is like they have the peds "trained" to yield to them out of brute force. It is really a bullying thing that has created a lot of bad habits, bad attitudes and risky behavior.
 
Wow. The language about overtaking a car that has stopped seems rather absolute to me; you pass 'em, you broke the law. There's no mention of right of way being an element. To the extreme, if the stopped car (on a six lane road) was stopped for a ped 5 lanes, over- you still can't legally pass the stopped car.
 
Sounds winnable to me. First, file a TBD stating nothing other than "I stand by my plea of not guilty". Then, if you lose, subpoena the tape and go to court. If they don't give you the tape, demand they dismiss the case or present the evidence and give you ample time (more than a day) to analyze it. If they can't do that without going over your statutory 45 days, again insist on dismissal. If they do give you the tape, report back here and someone'll give you more advice. I'm guessing if it gets that far, you might be able to argue that you were not in their "way" as mm4l defines.

Interesting info, by the way, mm4l. I had assumed that once a ped was in a crosswalk, you couldn't enter it no matter what. (not that I abide by that because as a blanket rule, it's silly) The law just seems to be that you have to yield, not that you can't enter the crosswalk at the same time. Good to know.
 
I'd do the school, and be happy not to have been cited for failure to yield, when they turn the lights on, turn right and stop............
 
NVR FNSH said:
Bon Air@ Magnolia - 5 Bon Air? Or up by MGH?

Was the officer a tall thin white guy or a shorter middle eastern guy?

Brian
At Magnolia. I was coming from Magnolia on to Bon Air. The xwalk is between the two office complexes.

The dude that pulled me over was white, but I don't remember anything else about him. Well except that he was nice and courteous. Well except that he still gave me a ticket. :twofinger
 
humbug612 said:
I'd do the school, and be happy not to have been cited for failure to yield, when they turn the lights on, turn right and stop............
Ummm as I stated... I am not eligeble for school, and I did get cited for failure to yield. Errr.... and I did stop. Are we in the same thread? lol :teeth
 
motorman4life said:
It is not the responsibility of the pedestrian to PUT themselves in jeopardy to FORCE you to yield the right of way. A right of way is just that, a right. If the crosswalk was a 4-way intersection and the pedestrian was a big-rig and you had yield signs for your direction and the ped had none, you would not question at all who has the right of way in that situation.

Sometimes people just don't get it. If there is a ped present in a marked or unmarked crosswalk, it is your responsibility to yield as required. Other vehicles distracting you, any other hazards you preceived... c'mon, you would still yield for that big-rig barreling down on you!

People count on the peds being afraid and not asserting themselves and get in the habit of forcing the ped to adjust their stride or yield to the vehicle to avoid a collision. It is getting people killed. This is why the OTS (Office of Traffic Safety) is giving out grant money for these sting operations throughout the state.

Get a copy of "Fight your Ticket" from Nolo Press. It is about $18 to $20 at the local bookstore, you may find one on Amazon for less. It has pre-made forms in the back. Subpoena the officer's notes, the OpOrder (operational order) for the police sting operation, a copy of the video of your alleged violation and take it from there. File the subpoena with the court at your arraignment.

To be honest, I think you are fucked. If you think the judge or commissioner will the appauled at the use of a sting operation... you are wrong. To them, you are just another discourteous scofflaw who feels they are more important than someone walking in a crosswalk.

You are going to go in there with I, I, I, I, I; I thought, I saw, I felt, I did, I didn't... and the judge is going to watch the video and see the brightly-dressed ped in a clearly marked crosswalk asserting their lawful right of way when you are well enough away to yield to them as required. Then they'll see you clearly violate their right of way and you are fried. If you put on a case and lose, forget about traffic school.

Take traffic school and set a good example by yielding in the future. Take some responsibility for your choices and actions.

Blaming a police motorcycle on the other side of a median... Jesus! Like silversvs stated, you should have stopped for the police bike and didn't. In fact, based upon your diagram, you should have been stopping for the ped well before the police bike became an issue.

Oh, and "I didn't know what was behind me..." that one will piss the judge off too. Whether it is a red light or a crosswak, it does not matter who or what is behind you. If you think it does, try that excuse in court and see the reaction you get. It's right up there with, "I didn't think my brakes could stop me in time" or "I was going way too fast to stop."

+1

Good points, and helpful. Great post!
D**n, no mojo....
 
AaronE said:
I'm guessing if it gets that far, you might be able to argue that you were not in their "way" as mm4l defines.

Interesting info, by the way, mm4l. I had assumed that once a ped was in a crosswalk, you couldn't enter it no matter what. (not that I abide by that because as a blanket rule, it's silly) The law just seems to be that you have to yield, not that you can't enter the crosswalk at the same time. Good to know.
Just so we're clear, this is my interpretation of the law and how I explain it when I train new officers. Each officer must use their own judgement and their functional understanding of the law. I think when these ped decoy operations are going on, officers tend to be more strict in their interpretation. Last time I did one of these, in May, I was the operation coordinator and I made sure to explain to my troops what the law said (verbatim) as well as my theory on "way" and I even gave the shadow visualization example. I saw a lot of "lights" going on in the crowd, particularly among the younger officers. It is clear this was not covered in the academy.

In the end, it is up to each officer to sustain the violation they witnessed and cited. They have to feel comfortable with the facts they have gathered and confident a violation truly occurred. In this case, they were taping the crosswalk. I would think it would be difficult to get adequate coverage with one camera, but it should present some evidence as to where the alleged violator was when the ped stepped off and asserted their lawful right of way. If there was a "safety zone" for approaching vehicles specified, then that should be covered in the OpOrder.
 
I just wanted to drop some numbers into this thread.

This is from a cheat sheet I prepared for a crosswalk enforcement "sting" and it uses the court recognized formulas for computing reaction, physical stopping and total stopping distance it given speeds.

SPEED ... REACT ... STOP = TOTAL
25..........27.5'........25.8'.......53.3'
30..........33'..........37.1'........70.1'
35..........38.5'........50.5'........89'
40..........44'..........66'............110'
45..........49.5'.......83.5'........133'

When setting up the "sting" location, we would mark out a "safety zone" leading up to the crosswalk. The idea being that the pedestrian should not step out into the crosswalk if they a) perceived a vehicle was travelling higher than the "target" speed and/or b) saw the vehicle had already entered the "safety zone."

So, for instance, we were running an operation in a 35 zone where the 85th percentile speed had been documented at 37 mph. Giving the benefit to the drivers, we used the numbers for a 40 zone.. we set small cones on the island or curb located 110' feet prior to the crosswalk (from both directions). So, the ped was instructed not to step out if it appeared the approaching vehicle was going over 40 or if they had already passed the marker cone. The idea being that as long as they were driving 40 or under (in a posted 35 zone) and were at least 110' from the crosswalk, that a ped, lawfully asserting their right-of-way in a crosswalk, should/could anticipate an approaching vehicle to yield to their right-of-way. If they were going too fast, they would simply be stopped for speeding. If they were within the 110' zone, then it would be unsafe for a ped to step out and reasonably expect it not to be a hazard. I know, in reality, a "head's up" driver at 40 mph could panic stop within 50' but we are striving for what is reasonable and what could be sustained in court. We did not lose any tickets out of 40+ cites issued in 2 hours.
 
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I just wanted to drop some numbers into this thread.

This is from a cheat sheet I prepared for a crosswalk enforcement "sting" and it uses the court recognized formulas for computing reaction, physical stopping and total stopping distance it given speeds.

SPEED ... REACT ... STOP = TOTAL
25..........27.5'........25.8'.......53.3'
30..........33'..........37.1'........70.1'
35..........38.5'........50.5'........89'
40..........44'..........66'............110'
45..........49.5'.......83.5'........133'

When setting up the "sting" location, we would mark out a "safety zone" leading up to the crosswalk. The idea being that the pedestrian should not step out into the crosswalk if they a) perceived a vehicle was travelling higher than the "target" speed and/or b) saw the vehicle had already entered the "safety zone."

So, for instance, we were running an operation in a 35 zone where the 85th percentile speed had been documented at 37 mph. Giving the benefit to the drivers, we used the numbers for a 40 zone.. we set small cones on the island or curb located 110' feet prior to the crosswalk (from both directions). So, the ped was instructed not to step out if it appeared the approaching vehicle was going over 40 or if they had already passed the marker cone. The idea being that as long as they were driving 40 or under (in a posted 35 zone) and were at least 110' from the crosswalk, that a ped, lawfully asserting their right-of-way in a crosswalk, should/could anticipate an approaching vehicle to yield to their right-of-way. If they were going too fast, they would simply be stopped for speeding. If they were within the 110' zone, then it would be unsafe for a ped to step out and reasonably expect it not to be a hazard. I know, in reality, a "head's up" driver at 40 mph could panic stop within 50' but we are striving for what is reasonable and what could be sustained in court. We did not lose any tickets out of 40+ cites issued in 2 hours.


Exactly how we do it and then that is how we testify to it in court.
 
I just wanted to drop some numbers into this thread.

This is from a cheat sheet I prepared for a crosswalk enforcement "sting" and it uses the court recognized formulas for computing reaction, physical stopping and total stopping distance it given speeds.

SPEED ... REACT ... STOP = TOTAL
25..........27.5'........25.8'.......53.3'
30..........33'..........37.1'........70.1'
35..........38.5'........50.5'........89'
40..........44'..........66'............110'
45..........49.5'.......83.5'........133'

When setting up the "sting" location, we would mark out a "safety zone" leading up to the crosswalk. The idea being that the pedestrian should not step out into the crosswalk if they a) perceived a vehicle was travelling higher than the "target" speed and/or b) saw the vehicle had already entered the "safety zone."

I know, in reality, a "head's up" driver at 40 mph could panic stop within 50' but we are striving for what is reasonable and what could be sustained in court. We did not lose any tickets out of 40+ cites issued in 2 hours.

I don't quite see 50' for 40 mph as "heads up". Braking on a top tier sportbike, 40-0 takes 55 feet, if you are a magazine tester on an abandoned runway turned test track. (Numbers from Bike's 600 supersport shootout a couple years back, as they datalogged the 80-0 braking runs)

And we all know what happens if you even just instantaneousy exceed available braking on a non ABS motorcycle, not to mention the possibility of getting ass-packed.

So although your cheat sheet number seem within reason for reaction time (about 1 second, or a little less), you're assuming that the driver has to pretty much panic stop for the pedestrian (within 20% of dry-pavement max braking).

Requiring someone to take significant evasive action to avoid a ticket doesn't seem like a very good policy, and that's how I'd fight it in court: subpoena a copy of the video and the cheet-sheet, and if you are close to the marked safety zone when the ped stepped out of the place of safety, thats how I'd fight it.
 
I don't quite see 50' for 40 mph as "heads up". Braking on a top tier sportbike, 40-0 takes 55 feet, if you are a magazine tester on an abandoned runway turned test track. (Numbers from Bike's 600 supersport shootout a couple years back, as they datalogged the 80-0 braking runs)

And we all know what happens if you even just instantaneousy exceed available braking on a non ABS motorcycle, not to mention the possibility of getting ass-packed.

So although your cheat sheet number seem within reason for reaction time (about 1 second, or a little less), you're assuming that the driver has to pretty much panic stop for the pedestrian (within 20% of dry-pavement max braking).

Requiring someone to take significant evasive action to avoid a ticket doesn't seem like a very good policy, and that's how I'd fight it in court: subpoena a copy of the video and the cheet-sheet, and if you are close to the marked safety zone when the ped stepped out of the place of safety, thats how I'd fight it.
Maybe you missed the TABLE? We are giving them a MINIMUM of 110' in a 35 zone when they are perceived to be going ANY speed under 40 mph on approach. Again, a vehicle driving 35 to 40 can "panic stop" at about 50' but we are not expecting anyone to do that. The reaction distances and braking distances are normal ones, not panic stops. We are merely expecting them to come to initiate a safe and controlled stop after the ped steps off the curb into a clearly marked crosswalk (and asserts their R-O-W) when the vehicle is at a safe distance (again, at least 110' from the leading/nearest edge of a 10'-12' wide crosswalk in a posted 35 zone).

Believe me, we have done tons of field testing and it comes down to this.. Either the driver will or will not yield to the ped.. most violators don't even attempt to brake, they adjust lane position and many speed up.
 
Maybe you missed the TABLE? We are giving them a MINIMUM of 110' in a 35 zone when they are perceived to be going ANY speed under 40 mph on approach. Again, a vehicle driving 35 to 40 can "panic stop" at about 50' but we are not expecting anyone to do that. The reaction distances and braking distances are normal ones, not panic stops. We are merely expecting them to come to initiate a safe and controlled stop after the ped steps off the curb into a clearly marked crosswalk (and asserts their R-O-W) when the vehicle is at a safe distance (again, at least 110' from the leading/nearest edge of a 10'-12' wide crosswalk in a posted 35 zone).

Believe me, we have done tons of field testing and it comes down to this.. Either the driver will or will not yield to the ped.. most violators don't even attempt to brake, they adjust lane position and many speed up.

No, I was exactly using the numbers from your table, taking the entry for 40 MPH.

Your "minimum" is normal reaction time for an attentive driver (a hair under 1 second), but near panic stop (within ~20% of the theoretical max braking on clear dry pavement with a rider striving for reproducability).

And I don't believe your 50' "panic stop" number from 40 MPH, as that is not only assuming 0 reaction time, but less distance than datalogged numbers for a 600 sportbike under reproducable conditions (previous posting).

Looking up the numbers for the naked test for Bike 2005 (naked bike, top of the pile) tests, the best was the Speed Triple, which is just long enough to not stoppie so easily, but with top tier brakes and rubber: 70-0 in 168 feet. For 40 MPH, its 50 feet. The street rod is 70 feet. And keep in mind this is skilled rider, repeatable conditions, dry pavement.

Thus IF (note the IF) the video log showed the pedestrian entering at or near the minimum point, I'd argue that the selected minimum point, by requiring substantial evasive action (within 20% of theoretical maximum IF you are dealing with a bike with the best brakes available, clean pavement, reproducable rider) does not have the pedestrian exercising due care.


As such, I'd also argue that changing lanes would be the best option to yield: we are taught in the MSF that swerving is often the optimal response, rather than braking.
 
MM4L,

We do the same thing, but we set the cone at a whopping 165ft. Absolutely no arguing there.

If the vehicle is 165ft away when the person enters, and the person is mroe than 1/3rd of the way through the x-walk, the vehicle gets a ticket. Every single time.
 
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